Please take any further messages in this conversation off list. It's off-topic, off-putting to newcomers, and generally boring and/or aggravating for those of us that have seen it before.
Rob: there is no obligation for people to disclose that they wrote the stuff they're advocating. Nobody has a monetary interest in this stuff, and further, it's trivial to uncover that (for example) Uri is the maintainer of File::Slurp. Finally, I have asked you in the past to not try to police the behavior of others on the list. I am renewing that request. thank you, john, the perl-beginners list-mom. On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Rob Dixon <rob.di...@gmx.com> wrote: > On 04 Oct 2013 06:33, Shlomi Fish wrote: >> On 02 Oct 2013 Uri Guttman wrote: >>> On 02 Oct 2013 08:56 PM, Rob Dixon wrote: >>>> On 03 Oct 2013 01:39, Uri Guttman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I do recommend you try to use File::Slurp to read in and write out your >>>>> files. >>>> >>>> It would help a lot if you declared your interest in File::Slurp. It is >>>> disingenuous to recommend your own modules. >>> >>> i don't see why? it is just a tool to help him. i get no compensation >>> other than it helps to use it. also in my reply to him i did say i was >>> going to add a feature idea to the todo list. >>> >>> i recommend my modules when they are appropriate and don't always say >>> they are mine. there actually isn't much (if any) competition on cpan >>> for a couple of them. >>> >> >> Rob has been bothering me as well with similar complaints for recommending >> XML::LibXML instead of XML::XPath, just because I happen to maintain >> XML::LibXML (even though I mention it) and has been voicing similar >> complaints >> about me referring people to the various resources on http://perl-begin.org/ >> which I also maintain. It seems he has an obsession with people recommending >> resources that they originated or are maintaining, even if these resources >> are >> 100% open source/open content and are not likely to yield substantial >> monetary >> benefits. >> >> So I suggest that both you and I just ignore those exits by Rob about these >> things from now on. Like the old Internet adage go: “Those who can - do. >> Those >> who can’t - complain.”. > > Hi Shlomi > > This applies equally to the exchanges we have had in the past on this > topic, and to my recent note to Uri. > > I am sorry you consider my comments to be "bothering you". I only ever > made a single comment, as I did to Uri here, and answered any questions > you had in your replies. > > The problem I see is that it should be up to the reader to decide > whether to accept your recommendations *based on clear knowledge of any > investments you may have*. Whether that is an emotional or financial > interest is irrelevant; your advice *must* be evaluated in the light of > your likely impartiality. > > Uri, I rarely see File::Slurp recommended other than by yourself. > usually it is in the context of a work-around for Perl's lack of support > for a regex version of $/. I have also never had occasion to use it > myself, despite a working understanding of its facilities. I accept that > you believe your advice to be equitable, but it is inevitable that a > rosy glow will surround anything that is the product of your own labours. > > Shlomi, the same applies to your XML::LibXML, which is an excellent > module, and probably the only real contender to pole position for > modules not based on XML::Parser. However I don't remember seeing you > recommend anything else in any circumstance, and that worries me. > > As for your web site, I am puzzled why you would not want people to know > that your perl-begin.org was the work of your own fair hand? It isn't > mentioned in your sig, and even the site itself is coy about declaring > it to be pretty much all your own work apart from what is said in the > "Contributors List". > > What concerns me most is that, if you refer to your own site in the > context of this list, unless you indicate that you are referring to more > of your own words on the same topic, it will be seen as a third-party > endorsement of your point of view. > > Since I raised the issue, you have been adding semi-legalese like this > >> * http://perl-begin.org/uses/multitasking/#threads >> >> (**NOTE**: http://perl-begin.org/ is a site I originated and still maintain - >> all caveats apply.) > > which I guess is OK, but all that is necessary is something less formal like > >> See what I wrote about this on my site >> http://perl-begin.org/uses/multitasking/#threads > > which declares that you are both the author of the words and proprietor > of the site in far less verbiage. > > Similarly, where Uri writes > >> i do recommend you try to use File::Slurp > > all that I see is necessary is > >> i do recommend you try my own File::Slurp module > > and, again, I am surprised that you wouldn't want to boast ownership in > the first place. > > Maybe I have been misunderstood before, in which case I apologise and > hope that this has helped to explain my point of view. If not, and if > there is still antipathy to my thoughts, then I would like to see it > spelled out. I am copying this to John SJ Anderson, the list manager, > whose judgement I have found in the past to be impeccable, and whom I > trust completely to make a correct call on this. > > Shlomi, I don't know what typo led to `exits` in this > >> So I suggest that both you and I just ignore those exits by Rob about >> these things from now on. Like the old Internet adage go: “Those who >> can - do. Those who can’t - complain.”. > > but the paragraph is insulting and inappropriate on a public list. I am > sure Uri is quite capable of making their own decision to ignore me if > they so wish, and you are out of order in exorting him to do so. > > I am sure you will let me know your thoughts. > > Kind regards, > > Rob Dixon > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
