The problem with forking CentOS (or even just seeking to continue building it) is that you will have all the same issues you have and no-one behind you to help fix them. I work (more or less) as a sysadmin - have done for years - and have been driven to distraction by Red Hat/CentOS at work, devs wanting up to date software - and Debian throughout my personal life that "just works". [I've been a Debian developer for a long time.]
I feel the collective pain. The current Debian project leader has reached out to offer help in some sense. https://jonathancarter.org/2020/12/10/centos-stream-or-debian/ - I'm willing to help anyone where I can with issues or knowing where to point to to find things or even just to be supportive. This is a low traffic list that I've benefitted from hugely over the years: if I can help somebody as I pass along ... This is a personal offer and not to be construed as anything else: not committing the Debian Project as a whole to anything (and also comes out of my copious free time as I'm still employed). All the very best to all on the list, as ever, Andy Cater [amaca...@debian.org] On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 01:05:25PM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina via Beowulf wrote: > To be fair Michael, > > A fork is something im thinking about doing in all fairness. Hoping to start > soon on it. Need to at this point figure out how to clone the repositories > and start my own testing etc. > > Anyone know what the bare minimum you need in terms of packages installed to > get going with a core OS and then can slowly build on top of? > > Regards, > Jonathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beowulf <beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org> On Behalf Of Michael Di Domenico > Sent: 10 December 2020 14:00 > Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT] > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:45 PM Lance Wilson via Beowulf <beowulf@beowulf.org> > wrote: > > > > Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile software against the > > installed libraries or kernels. If you have or are running Arch Linux you > > will know what I'm talking about. There are regular niggles with things, > > especially with compiling your own software that needs recompiles pretty > > regularly. It is very strange they have gone from stable controlled > > releases to basically the complete opposite. > > <mild sarcasm> welcome to devops and the world of continuous integration :) > no point in actually testing anything when you have 2wk release cycles </mild > sarcasm> > > > I'm actually grateful though to have such a strong reason to move on, as we > > have had quite a number of issues with Redhat support where bugs > > can't/won't be patched. Also if we move to Ubuntu or Debian we will be much > > closer to the development environments for most of our researchers. > > I feel your pain. unfortunately my organization is not able to switch off > redhat to something else, but we've seen an increasing number of bugs > (security and others) where redhat just won't provide a fix. and i'm not > talking about mild things, things with actual CVE's > > This whole centos debacle definitely reeks of IBM to some extent, where > there's no such thing as a free lunch. but it would have made a lot less > people angry if they'd just let centos 8 run its course to > 2029 and come out with a new product called streams. then everyone can have > more than 12mos to change they're entire organization around or not > > i have no doubt there will be centos clones come to the market, it'll be > interesting to see if they get more adoption then devuan has so far or > whether they'll remain niche. redhat certainly shook the market with systemd > and now this, i wonder if this is enough to start pushing people away from > redhat products or whether we'll start to see more adoption of bsd in the > future > > redhat doesn't own linux, i wonder if people are starting to get fed up with > them thinking they do _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To > change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > https://beowulf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > https://beowulf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beowulf _______________________________________________ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit https://beowulf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beowulf
