(1) I don't understand why that would be a problem today. Is it
because computers are too common-place and well-connected?

(2) I don't understand what you want for tableb.

However, here's a first cut:

tblb=:conjunction define NB. (
:
  (x ,&boxopen m),:(,.L:0 n) ,&boxopen y
)

Example use:

   '' ''tblb '' '' NB. empty boxes
or:

   'label' 'top' tblb 'side' >;:'other stuff goes here'

Now... if you want more frills - for example, if you want parts in
some boxes to align somehow with parts in other boxes, I'd need a more
detailed description of what you want.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Linda Alvord <[email protected]> wrote:
> Raul, I must admit your theory is good.  In about 1968 or 1969 I taught APL 
> in high school using two terminals connected the mainframe at IBM Watson 
> Research Center.  Look at him now!  Like you he moved to J.  It is he best 
> there is at the moment.
>
> However, the majority of teachers at the elementary level are women.  Count 
> the women at the recent J conference.  Name 10 women (or even men) who are 
> current promoters of APL of J in grades 1-12.
>
> Vin Granell was an amazement to the APL community in those days.  He was the 
> pied piper of educators.  But there must be some mature force that is 
> initiating something until it catches on.  However, I do think the day will 
> come.
>
> I cringe when I think back to how things were in the early days.  I put the 
> two terminals in a small lab between two math classrooms.  After a short time 
> students got interested, then rather addicted.  I would leave at the end of 
> the day maybe an hour after the school day.  It seemed OK to leave small 
> bunches of students continuing to use the terminals. The custodians would 
> lock the rooms when they left.
>
> I can't imagine doing that today.  But my point is that it working together 
> and figuring things out together that was the key.
>
> So, can you build me my little tableb ?
>
> Linda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Raul Miller
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:19 AM
> To: Beta forum
> Subject: Re: [Jbeta] Here's what's needed to win the first grade teachers.
>
> Personally, I'd be more interested in winning students than in winning 
> teachers.
>
> That said, Vin Grannell had a good part of the LACC campus using APL,
> simply by solving problems which needed solved. So that's the model
> I'd follow, for teachers - solve problems for them.
>
> (I was one of his bigger failures, since I didn't stick with proper
> APL but favored J. But I have him to thank.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Raul
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Linda Alvord <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What if the teacjer could "hand craft" their worksheets for a class or
>> individualize them for specific students:
>>
>>    (>:8?8)+ table (>:8?8)
>> --T----------------------┐
>> │+│1  7  2  3  5  4  6  8│
>> +-+----------------------+
>> │8│9 15 10 11 13 12 14 16│
>> │7│8 14  9 10 12 11 13 15│
>> │3│4 10  5  6  8  7  9 11│
>> │2│3  9  4  5  7  6  8 10│
>> │1│2  8  3  4  6  5  7  9│
>> │6│7 13  8  9 11 10 12 14│
>> │5│6 12  7  8 10  9 11 13│
>> │4│5 11  6  7  9  8 10 12│
>> L-+-----------------------
>>
>>
>> Here's what is needed to win the teachers.  Something named  btable  or
>> tableb which will keep the headings and the verb, but would be blank. Boxes
>> are needed to keep the writing confined.
>>
>> The answer lies in here somewhere:
>>
>>  2 3 $ <''
>> -TT┐
>> ││││
>> ++++
>> ││││
>> L++-
>>    2 3 $ <' '
>> --T-T-┐
>> │ │ │ │
>> +-+-+-+
>> │ │ │ │
>> L-+-+--
>>    2 3 $ <'  '
>> ---T--T--┐
>> │  │  │  │
>> +--+--+--+
>> │  │  │  │
>> L--+--+---
>>    table
>> 1 : (':'; '(((#~LF-.@e.])5!:5<''u'');,.y),.({.;}.)":x,y u/x')~
>>
>> If it could land in names_z_ that would be great.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>>
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