I see we are agree on the direction and where J is going as a web server. What I like to see is a tool that is similar to the form editor allowing me to create a webform.
I really do not care what it is called as long it is based on J and I can use J as a server to service that webform in a similar way as JHS is doing now. Whenever J has come forward with something it is always so much simpler and easier to use than anything else doing similar things. 2010/4/5, Oleg Kobchenko <[email protected]>: > It's not a question whether one can or cannot be used > or there is a problem. > > First of all there is a distinction, which does not allow > to compare JHS and JHP head to head: JHS is an application > (the session) and JHP is an SDK to build applications. > > You instead of saying "using JHS" to build web apps, you > should say "using the same way as JHS". JHS has it's own > private "SDK" to support web apps: process HTTP parameters, > generate HTML, etc. > > JHP is just another such SDK. Besides some of the low-level > CGI features shared with private JHS SDK, there is some > high-level convenience functionality, such as HTML templates, > which are familiar to and targeted to traditional web app > developers. > > When JHS stabilizes it would make sense to look at its > low-level web SDK and see if it could be abstracted to > a common layer for both JSH and JHP, such drafted in: > > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/CGI/Design > > > > > >> From: Björn Helgason <[email protected]> > > I am not really understanding why JHS could not be used to create > forms and communicate with a J server. > > It is more or less doing it > now. > > What I like to see and am (or was) expecting is having an > application > sending HTML forms to a browser and it would extend the > forms like > they are today in J6 so that the browserform can be bigger and show > more in J7 (JHS) than the ordinary old forms in J6. > > Maybe you are talking about something bigger and more than that. > > What I want is more or less already there. > > I would like to see tables > replacing grids and have HTML tables as > input and output options. > > The JHS is already creating HTML code and sending it to the browser. > > I can not see where the problem is. > > 2010/4/5, Oleg Kobchenko <[email protected]>: >> JHS and JHP serve different purposes: >> >> - JHS is a > web-enabled J session, i.e. it runs >> development tools (IDE) > through web; >> only in the future would it be possible to build >> a web-based Window Driver (or other high-level toolkit) >> to create user apps. >> >> - JHP is an SDK for web applications in J, i.e. it is >> specifically targeted to create end-user > web apps >> in a traditional sense (like PHP, ASP, JSP etc.) >> where J serves as the back-end engine. >> >> So it will > still be possible to create JHP apps in J7, >> but the developer > may use the web-enables JHS session >> instead of the desktop IDE. > (There may be some other >> enhancements like sticky session, as > opposed to stateless CGI.) >> >> >> >> >>> > From: Henry Rich <[email protected]> >> >> It's not an exercise for me, it's a project, and Ric and Joey have >> convinced me that JHS is not the way to go. >> >> Henry Rich >> >> Björn >> Helgason wrote: >>> I thought that using J7 and > JHS as server were >> the object of this exercise. >>> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur Fornustekkum II 781 Hornafirði, t-póst: [email protected] gsm: +3546985532 sími: +3544781286 http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum /|_ .-----------------------------------. ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | ( -. | `-----------------------------------' | ) | (\_ _/) (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
