It looks good to have ijx and ijs side by side like this. It works to send lines from the ijs to the ijx for execution but the ijx is not refreshed.
After you do a refresh you see that the lines are there. It is interesting that the ijx frame is different from the ijs and help when you press the right mouse button. 2010/10/25 Björn Helgason <[email protected]> > Thx! > > This is pretty good. > > I created a local version a file called test71.html > > ------------------------- test71.html > <html><head><title>xsh</title></head> > <frameset cols="44%,*"> > <frame src="http://127.0.0.1:65001/jijx"; name="ijx", > scrolling='auto'> > <frameset rows="77%,*"> > <frame src="http://127.0.0.1:65001/jijs"; name="ijs", > scrolling='auto'> > <frame src="http://127.0.0.1:65001/jhelp"; name="jhelp", > scrolling='auto'> > </frameset> > </frameset> > </html> > ------------------- > > Nice thing is I can change the contents of each frame as needed and the > other info stays unchanged. > > It should be easy to put a control of this into a config file. > > > > > 2010/10/24 greg heil <[email protected]> > > i set up a htm page consisting of an ijx, ijs and help frame from the JUM: >> >> <html><head><title>xsh</title></head> >> <frameset cols="44%,*"> >> <frame src="http://www.jsoftware.com:53692/jijx"; name="ijx", >> scrolling='auto'> >> <frameset rows="77%,*"> >> <frame src="http://www.jsoftware.com:53692/jijs"; >> name="ijs", scrolling='auto'> >> <frame src="http://www.jsoftware.com:53692/jhelp"; >> name="jhelp", >> scrolling='auto'> >> </frameset> >> </frameset> >> </html> >> >> The next step is to set the IJS file to be a particular file (o/w the >> system keeps generating a new one). But i cannot find a URL for such a >> file. I can modify any file, but i cannot get the URL for that >> modification... >> >> greg >> ~krsnadas.org >> >> -- >> >> from Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> reply-to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 24 October 2010 08:14 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> Finally got some time to test your suggestion here. >> >> Pretty nice! >> >> javascript:window.open(prompt('url'), >> '_blank','status=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,menubar=0') >> >> javascript:window.open("http://www.jsoftware.com";, >> '_blank','status=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,menubar=0') >> >> javascript:window.open("http://www.jsoftware.com","mywindow";) >> >> javascript:window.open("http://127.0.0.1:65001/jhelp";, >> '_blank','status=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,menubar=0') >> >> javascript:window.open("http://127.0.0.1:65001/jijx";, >> '_blank','status=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,menubar=0') >> >> javascript:window.open("http://127.0.0.1:65001/jijx","mywindow";) >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/22 Raul Miller <[email protected]> >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Brian Schott <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > My understanding of browser interfaces is that such tessellation of >> frames/windows is not possible by the end user, but if it is I would like to >> know how, please. >> >> You can have multiple browser windows though. And you can size and >> arrange them as you please. >> >> I think the biggest limitation here is the extra real-estate imposed >> by the browser itself. However, chrome minimizes that, and also it is >> possible to instruct the browser to open a window without decorations >> (using javascript's window.open() method -- though if you are willing >> to use that you also have some other options available to you). >> >> Though, actually, you could make a bookmark and edit. For example, change >> it to: >> >> javascript:window.open(prompt('url'), '_blank', >> 'status=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,menubar=0') >> >> This lets you type in a url and get a window visiting that url with a >> relative minimum of decoration real-estate. You could also make >> multiple bookmarks, replacing the "prompt('url')" with whatever url >> you want (in quotes). Or instead of having the bookmark always spawn a >> new window you could change the second parameter from '_blank' to some >> unique name for that bookmark and the bookmark would then bring the >> named window to the front if it were already open... >> >> FYI, >> --- >> Raul >> >> -- >> >> from Alex Rufon <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 22 October 2010 07:01 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> Come to think of it ... I also do this a lot. I would normally have >> the IJX, PM and 1 to 3 IJS files open at the same time. You see, I >> sort of put all my global variables and global initialization scripts >> in two different files: >> >> defs.ijs - global variables, sql commands, structures, constants >> init.ijs - initialization scripts >> >> I sort of keep this two files open (particularly defs.ijs) ... >> >> In JHS, can I open scripts in another TAB or another browser window? >> Would that help Brian? >> >> Although I don't have time to look at JHS, I'm looking at java web >> application development and later on integrating J through/as web >> service. I'm currently drowning in reading materials for >> >> VAADIN <http://vaadin.com/home> >> DROOLS <http://www.jboss.org/drools> >> SPRING Framework <http://www.springsource.org/> >> >> My ears are bleeding ... :P >> >> -- >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Brian Schott >> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:00 PM >> To: Beta forum >> Subject: Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> When Bjorn mentioned labs in the context of having frames it finally >> reminded me of how desirable it is to have multiple windows visible at >> once in J. On the Mac I have always been able to reposition and resize >> multiple windows to tessellate them, and that has been most desirable >> with labs and with simulation ogl graphics that are refreshed when >> code lines are entered in the ijx window (Eric has not quite gotten >> that to work for me in the last two revisions, btw). >> >> My understanding of browser interfaces is that such tessellation of >> frames/windows is not possible by the end user, but if it is I would >> like to know how, please. >> >> (B=) >> >> -- >> >> from Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 22 October 2010 01:12 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> It is one thing what you can do as a knowledgeable user and send the >> pages into frames, windows or tabs and then another if the jhs is >> clever enough to assist you to separate processes/input/output to >> different widgets. >> >> It would be very nice to take advantage of frames in particular with >> things like the labs and separate the instructions and helps into >> different frames and the user trials into another frame. >> >> So you could in the same window have more than one frame and have them >> interact in intelligent ways. >> >> Instead of going to different windows for each of the links you could >> basically have them all at the same time open in different frames on >> the same window. >> >> The ijs and ijx side by side and then below several frames with demos and >> helps. >> >> I usually do not like popups very much and would rather have a frame >> open up and a popup is more or less a frame lifted out of the window. >> >> The whole idea of getting a browser gui for J - the JHS - is so much >> more powerful by using and utilizing frames. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/21 Raul Miller <[email protected]> >> >> 2010/10/21 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >> > You can load pages into frames but then you have a lot of stuff around >> from the page. >> >> If you have just the contents of a script in a frame and send a line >> to be executed and you get the result in another frame where the ijx >> is displaying the output it would be very neat and tidy. >> >> Hypothetically speaking, you can apply styles to the pages to hide >> things you do not want to see? >> >> --- >> Raul >> >> -- >> >> from Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 21 October 2010 02:38 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> You can load pages into frames but then you have a lot of stuff around >> from the page. >> >> If you have just the contents of a script in a frame and send a line >> to be executed and you get the result in another frame where the ijx >> is displaying the output it would be very neat and tidy. >> >> In J6 I do this all the time by having the ijs and ijx side by side >> and do the work in the ijs and send individual lines to the ijx and >> thus collecting up lines of input. >> >> If you do the work in the ijx the input gets mixed up with the output. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/20 Raul Miller <[email protected]> >> >> 2010/10/20 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> > ooops >> >> > I was probably thinking frames and saying forms >> >> Well, you can do that right now, i think? >> >> Just make a page with the right frame urls and load it? (You could >> have this page on your desktop, for example). >> >> --- >> Raul >> >> -- >> >> from Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 20 October 2010 00:22 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> I would like to see labs such that the explaining text is in one form >> and the experimental part in another form on the same page. >> >> Same goes for working with ijs and/or inputs in one form the result >> like ijx or plot or something in another sometimes on the same page >> and sometimes in a popup. >> >> In the html tutorial this is explained quite well and you can send or >> open a link in a new window, new tab or you can open the whole page in >> an old form. >> >> It is possible to have all kinds of mix of what you do with outputs >> and inputs and the main point that the menus and helps are often more >> static than the results of operations. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/20 Eric Iverson <[email protected]> >> >> This could be done. But I'm not sure it is desirable. That is, you >> could make one tab have controls for both ijx and ijs functionality. >> But that seems like mixing apples and oranges. >> >> I find myself increasingly having multiple tabs with ijx. And I almost >> always have more than one ijs tab. Sometimes the tabs are in the same >> window and sometimes they are in different windows. And what about >> external editors? >> >> I think more experience with browser tabs and windows is going to be >> enlightening. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> >> I would like to have ijs in one form on a page and the ijx in another >> form on the same page. >> >> Then send lines from the ijs to the ijx >> >> You can get similar setup by having two windows open side by side but >> having several forms on the same page with help texts around is nice. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Raul Miller <[email protected]> >> >> 2010/10/19 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >> > What is really worth while thinking about besides using tabs is to use >> forms more. >> >> Then again, simplicity is a virtue. >> >> Then again, to my knowledge, the distinction between a tab and a >> window is not exposed to the web developer. >> >> --- >> Raul >> >> -- >> >> from Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> to Beta forum <[email protected]> >> date 19 October 2010 08:49 >> subject Re: [Jbeta] default switching jhs >> >> What is really worth while thinking about besides using tabs is to use >> forms more. >> >> Have the contents of pages in forms and use big pages that can scroll >> off screen. >> >> One thing I do like about chrome is you take a tab and drag it off and >> create a new window and you can also drag it back again and merge it >> with other tabs. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Eric Iverson <[email protected]> >> >> Most of us have had decades learning the windows desktop paradigm and >> use the browser in fairly simple ways (one page at a time). It is >> going to take time to become adept in the browser world (it is already >> quite rich and changing fast). For example, a serious J user probably >> wouldn't use the link menu at all. Instead ijx,file,ijs would be on >> the bookmark bar. To open a new ijs you'd click the empty tab then >> click the ijs bookmark. >> >> The demos don't yet reflect new ways of thinking about apps on the >> browser. The navigation will improve. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> >> That is not a big thing really because it is easily done with the >> right mouse clicks. >> >> Another issue is when changing from one place like from ijx to demos >> or to pacman the place for links is sometimes on top and like in the >> demos the links are at the bottom and you need to go first to ijx to >> get the other links from the demos pages >> >> It would be good to always have most of the links at the top.and have >> the drop down similar options. >> >> The demos links should possibly be like the labs links >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Eric Iverson <[email protected]> >> >> The current behavior is browser standard and is fairly standard across >> browsers. That is click follows link on current tab, shift opens new >> tab, ctrl+shift opens new tab and makes it current. My strong feeling >> for jhs is to follow browser standards as closely as possible. >> >> -- >> >> 2010/10/19 Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> >> When you want to go to different links in J7 jhs the default behavior >> is to always stay on the same page and change contents for all links. >> >> You can use the right button to chose if you want to open the link in >> a new window or a new tab. >> >> I am inclined to suggest the default behavior to be to open the link >> in a new tab. >> >> Possibly as a config option. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > -- > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur > Fornustekkum II > 781 Hornafirði, > t-póst: [email protected] > gsm: +3546985532 > sími: +3544781286 > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum > /|_ .-----------------------------------. > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' > | ) | (\_ _/) > (`-. 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