Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > I'm trying not going to get dragged into that conversation again... > > >first, all the posts about TPE2 in the forum. theres a lot of them. > Haven't noticed many myself, and it's totally irrelevant anyway. > People posting on a forum are not representative of Joe public.
sure, its antedotal, but it IS representative. just do a search, you don't have to take my word for it. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > I think you are also missing the point as to how infrequent an Album > Artist should be required. no, i'm not, b/c that isn't the point. almost all these apps ASSIGN A VALUE whether or not they need it! thats the point. i agree with you that SC doesn't need it for single artist albums, but so what? a lot of music is tagged by 99% of the apps this way. thats the reality, not much can be done about it. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > I have a reasonabe size library. I have a variety of tastes in music, > ranging through pop, rock, alternative, electronic, ambient, classical. > I'm also a power user, and go to great lengths to tag my library as > correct as possible to aid my ability to browse my library. i'd say i'm the same, except i probably don't go to as great lengths as you do tagging wise. i don't use a comp tag for instance. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > I have a very small percentage of albums that require album artist. I > have a larger percentage of albums that I have seen fit to add a proper > band tag for. meaning TPE2? so you are using the field correctly? and you think that represents "joe public?" so do you use a TXXX user defined field to do album artist? or comp tags? or some mix? in my case, i simply use TPE2 as ALBUMARTIST, and thats b/c thats the defacto standard out there that joe public uses, b/c thats what all mainstream apps do. just trust me on that, they do. its very clear this is true. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > I am sure that when I have ripped albums in the past with WMP > (admittedly, I haven't done so for about 4 years), it did not set album > artist. yeah, you're probably right, and so what? thats not the reality today nor has it been for some time. and there are auto-[re]taggers out there regardless of what you [pl] initially did. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > If you use Gracenote's album lookup for a compilation album, it sets > artist=Various Artists. not true for winamp, not true at all. it sets the artist per track, and sets the album artist to various artists. what app are you using that does it the way you describe? i'd be surprised to see that b/c either gracenote is doing something really screwy, OR the app is. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > Tagging providers, which are also largely provided from community-based > uploads, do not have a standard. The whole situation is a mess. agreed that the whole situation is a mess and that official standards are a joke. but there is no denying defacto standards. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >i think if SC aggregates stats, and i think they do > What makes you think that? I think they probably don't. Where do you > think they get stats from? i forget what thread, but somewhere i thought they said they can see what options people are using, if they choose to enable the report to slim option in the settings. i could be all wrong on that, thats why i said if. however, if they don't do it, at least optionally, i am going to suggest they start. it would be very powerful for them to start tracking how users use SC, and while i bet you disagree, i think it should be a default. i would allow folks to opt out of course, but if this pgm is to cater to joe public, it makes more sense to have it in there, and on, and let power users opt out if they want. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >i'd even be willing to say it should be the default for new installs. > > > Absolutely not! why not? again, if the push is to cater to joe public, and its clear that the defacto standard out there is to use TPE2 as album artist, why shouldn't it be the default setting on new installs? you are a 1% minority in using TPE2 properly by spec, (if thats what you're doing). the push from slim seems to be to become as 'automatic for the people' as possible. that would mean treating TPE2 as album artist should be a default. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >i admit, i am guessing from observed evidence > Your first 5 words were correct... well, i didn't claim to have a university research paper on it. however, are you seriously going to say it ISN'T the defact standard out there? that this isn't what the mainstream apps, which are 95% and up of the marketplace are doing? and you know that how??? Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >but i base it off of the marketplace leader apps > ??? WMP, winamp, itunes, musicmatch... and many more i am sure. they ALL set the TPE2 field as album artist, whether they need to or not. so i was saying thats what i based my conclusion on. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >I'd even guess you use it, (as per 8004, right?) > > > You guessed wrong. ok, so what was 8004 about then? you must be setting album artist via TXXX user defined fields then, yes? regardless, you can see why i thought you used TPE2. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >and who knows how many people were in my boat who got turned off by > SC > >since it had no option pre 7.1? > About the same number of people who got turned off other leading market > applications because those apps don't provide a means for adding band > tags. totally wrong. first of all, most people don't care about band tags. if you don't understand that, then i can't help you. secondly, slim stuff is an optional, secondary add on. its not a primary introduction to digital music. so the expectations for it are to follow the conventions of the primary sources. thirdly, while the leading market apps don't care about band tags, THEY DO care about album artist tags, and so there'd be a lot more people wondering why their collections are properly ordered in everything else, but not SC. thats a big difference from band tags. and its why that population is a whole lot bigger. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >but yes, it would be interesting to get a snapshot in time of just > what > >tags each app is using, and how when ripping, and/or auto-retagging / > >renaming files. > > > I think that the results could be useful as a wiki page. Might help > with schema/SC scanner options design for SC7.3. excellent point, couldn't agree more. brandon black and steven spies should do that i think. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >one thing i am sure of, MOST mp3 users, BY FAR, are using TPE2 as > album > >artist in the apps, and NOT as band (which would be by spec). > > > No. MOST mp3 users, BY FAR do not use either, because in MOST CASES it > is not relevant. that just isn't true. you might have an argument on one point, that rips made a long time ago and aren't modified since are a significant population of files and then i'd guess you are right that they don't even have any TPE2 info. but thats a rapidly dwindling population, as many apps "update" them automatically, (as well as users) and some even agressively like itunes. WMP can add/overwrite data without your knowledge at all. but SC shouldn't be primarily concerned with this dwindling population anyway, it needs to recognize, as i think you do, the state of the marketplace today, which is, and has been for several years, that TPE2 = album artist. i again make the point to you that the present situation is that TPE2 gets a data value EVEN IF its not necessary. so yeah, it may not be "relevant" to do that, BUT IT IS DONE. most mp3 users are no doubt oblivious to this, and its implications, but so what? the point is that this is how most apps work, and most users want everything to work as most apps, an inconsistent experience means the odd man out gets tossed, and slim should strive to not be the odd man out, especially if "joe public" is the new rallying call" which it seems to be. SC has to work with the reality, not the ideal. Philip Meyer;349859 Wrote: > > >amount of users actually using TPE2 for strictly and purposely for > >"band" is probably under 1% > > > Not for classical music listeners, who also use the tag for Orchestra > (TPE2=BAND/ORCHESTRA). > > Phil ok, 2%. :) i mean come on, is the majority represented by classical? i don't think so. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53718 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/beta
