Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > >FreeDB seems to be the extent of your experience. > > > You don't know my experience, and guess wrong. I've used AMG & > Gracenote before. I have also used discogs.com and other sources.
ok... so, then, you should know you were wrong regarding what they do! here is what you said: Philip Meyer;632125 Wrote: > >the vast majority of marketshare apps and DB sources uses the composer > >tag for denoting music's authors. WMP, winamp, AMG, Gracenote, etc... > > >all fill out the composer tag when ripping or auto-tagging, and they > do > >so for all music, making no distinction between classical or popular. > > > That's contrary to my experience - most metadata sources don't include > any original artist or songwriter tag information at all. Most often, > I have to look it up and manually tag it myself. *that is clearly false on its face.* do you disagree? what sources, besides freedb, don't give "ANY" composer tag info at all? fyi, i have no exp with discogs, but i doubt any big marketshare app uses it. Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > Like I said at the start of my thread, where composer data has been > entered, it's very inconsistent. e.g for Beatles releases, composer > could be John Lennon or Lennon, or The Beatles, or J. Lennon, etc. If > all of those different tags were left untouched, and Composers were > included in the artist list, it would make a right mess. thats a different argument. its one thing to say "no composer tag at all" and another to say inaccurate tags. also, it isn't what InTheBath was complaining about... as you said yourself, "irrespective of if composers is ticked or not" any involvement is shown in the results set, which you called "nice behavior" but others, who don't tag in the valid, yet unusual fashion as you do, would very reasonably take issue with. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=619388#post619388 don't you get that? Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > So, even if I did use a different app, and it used a metadata source > that provides composer info, and the app supports it, I would strip it > out. great, you made that clear already. not the point. SBS isn't designed for what YOU do. SBS should be designed, to the extent it can be, to handle what vast marketshare apps do by default. Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > > >> In a similar way, metadata sources don't put the year that a song > was > >> originally released, only the date that the album was released. > This > >> can be quite significant on compilation albums. eg. a song > originally > >> released in 1960 that appears on a 2010 album will be seen as a > song > >> belonging in 2010. > > > >i agree but i don't know why you're stating this? > > > Don't you feel it is related? no. Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > That some people use YEAR for song year, whilst others use YEAR for > album year, sometimes it's used to represent original release year, > other times not. Whilst metadata sources can provide some data for any > tag they feel like offering, there's no consistency, so don't rely on > them. that has nothing to do with the idea that the composer tag is filled out. first of all, a user might have his composer tags the way he wants them. he may not agree with you, that it is "wrong" to use the composer tag instead of "origartist" or whatever you use. secondly, its the results list of following a track artist InTheBath doesn't want cluttered up, there is nothing similar for "years." thirdly, If a user doesn't tag years consistently the way the user wants it, then thats garbage tagging for which the user, app, and source are all responsible to some degree. the problem here though is different. InTheBath has a problem when the composer field is PROPERLY filled out. its a HUGE difference, how can you not see that? Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > > >> >strictly speaking, composer is not a classical term, but more > >> >importantly, its a de facto standard. > >> I never said composer was a classical term, only that I only use it > for > >> classical music. > > > >ok, and so you would agree then that your method, while fine and > valid, > >is not common, yes? > 1. I did not say it was common, nor correct, etc. I was merely > offering an example of what I do, in case someone found it useful. seems to me you were offering it as a way to justify SBS' current behavior, which is altogether different. Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > 2. I do actually think it is common - I believe that MANY peope do not > use composer tags for popular music. > > I don't really care, but if this is important for you to know what > percentage of MANY users do, how about starting a vote? a vote? are you serious? you want a vote of a tiny skewed pool of forum users? how about COMMON SENSE? if i tell you that all the major marketshare apps do it this way, what percentage of folks do you think bother to EVER even look at composer tags??? are you really this delusional, or are you just purposely being blindly difficult? again, the idea is that SBS should be designed to work with what it will typically encounter in the wild, not with what Phil thinks should be. Philip Meyer;632252 Wrote: > > >its important for you to realize, imo, that MANY > >people will be in the boat that InTheBath described. > > > Erm, no it's not important for me to realise your opinion. > > But thanks for your contribution anyway. ah, so, blindness then. so be it. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & droid (my home) / duet & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 & xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86452 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
