Sounds cool, only not sure why to define such a time constraints? On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Gavin Howard <[email protected]> wrote:
> In reality, Ton, I sent that email only to you; I didn't know Sergey's > address, I didn't want to spam the mailing list, and I was already too > embarrassed. (So much for that.) So it's not Sergey's fault. And > neither is it yours; I know you're busy, so I was planning on > resending the email today anyways. But I should have sent it to the > whole list. Yet another mistake. Sorry. > > The truth is that I'm not frustrated with you all. What did me in was > going back through and trying to clean up the fixes as Sergey said. I > thought I understood what he said, and I realized that I didn't. Like > I said, it was my own incompetence at following simple instructions. > Just to be clear, I never thought I was insulted. I simply get > frustrated with myself quite easily, especially after last summer. > > Sergey, your clarifications helped. (I think.) Give me 24 hours to go > back through and get it up to standard. > > God Bless, > Gavin Howard > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sergey Sharybin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I didn't actually see your mail from monday. Either it got lost somewhere > > in my client or i dunno. > > > > As for the fixed bugs section it's not that bad actually, the stuff Ton > > mentioned in the minutes are just guidelines for that page to make it > > maintainable. It doesn't mean it's fully wrong or so. Main issue with the > > page is that it lacks information about the revision range it's valid > for. > > So if you suddenly becomes busy and i (or cambo or whoever else) need > > finish it -- it'll be rather tricky to figure out where to start. To > avoid > > such issues, we put on the top of the page: > > > > Changes from revision AAA up to BBB > > > > It should be really easy for you to add information about revision your > > list is updated to. > > > > Other issue is that i saw quite a few fixes which were a fixes for new > > stuff added to 2.72. We don't mention that in the change log. It should > be > > easy for you again to just ignore such fixes for the rest of the > revisions > > from now on up to the very release. We'll need to clean up existing list > > from those fixes, but for that you can have at least mine help, and as > max > > -- there could be more volunteers to help cleaning stuff up. > > > > And the structure issue is also not that difficult to solve. It's just > > matter of using old structure and copy-pasteing new fixes to it. Or > > renaming the sections, so Modeling is more like a Mesh Editing, > Compositor > > is Node / Compositor and such. Sticking to some "standard" template is > good > > for the readability of changes imo. And for this you can also use my help > > or help from someone else in the community. > > > > So to summarize, there is some clean up to be done on the fixes page, but > > it's not that much of work and it doesn't mean you need to do it all > (we'll > > for sure help with the cleanups and so). And consider information from > > Ton's mail about fixed bugs section as a guideline for the future work on > > that section. Do not consider it as an insult on your work, we really > > appreciate your help. > > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Ton Roosendaal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Gavin, > >> > >> Sorry, it's unfortunate that nobody replied to your mail from last > monday. > >> I had no time either.The issue would/could have been easy to handle in > irc > >> though... asking sergey or campbell or me. I can only confirm they've > been > >> very busy and didn't notice or forgot the mail. > >> > >> In any way - most important is to at least keep communicating! When that > >> fails it's usually the core of the issues in a volunteering > organization. > >> > >> I'll ask Sergey to clarify the remarks I copied to the minutes. > >> > >> -Ton- > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> Ton Roosendaal - [email protected] - www.blender.org > >> Chairman Blender Foundation - Producer Blender Institute > >> Entrepotdok 57A - 1018AD Amsterdam - The Netherlands > >> > >> > >> > >> On 14 Sep, 2014, at 5:09, Gavin Howard wrote: > >> > >> > All, > >> > > >> > This is going to be a pretty weird email, but whatever. > >> > > >> > I've been using Blender for several years now, after being introduced > >> > to it while at version 2.49. I used it a little, then set it aside for > >> > a while. A year later, I came back to a wonderful 2.5x series. I was > >> > excited, and because I /thought/ I could program, I wanted to help. > >> > > >> > I was /completely/ wrong about my skill. > >> > > >> > I bombed GSoC 2013, and as a result, I got super frustrated at myself > >> > and went into "hiding". After a while, and more education, I decided > >> > to do something a little more humble: the Release Notes. > >> > > >> > As you all know from last week's Developers' Meeting, I did the > >> > Release Notes wrong, especially on the Bug Fixes page. I went back > >> > through and tried to fix the problems, but my judgment is lacking, and > >> > I'm sure that I didn't quite fix them. Quite frankly, I am frustrated > >> > with my ineptitude yet again. > >> > > >> > I know that the Blender Foundation doesn't need my help, and at this > >> > point, I am pretty sure my "help" is a burden in several ways. So I > >> > really wonder if it would be better without me. > >> > > >> > I sincerely hope it hasn't been a burden in /every/ way. Regardless of > >> > if I have or not, I think it's time I call it quits. I'm just not > >> > competent enough to help out, even in a non-development role. > >> > > >> > I will finish out this release, but once 2.72 (and any 'a' or other > >> > subsequent bugfix release) is out, I will not "help" out anymore. I'll > >> > still be a user; Blender (and Cycles!) helped me secure a spot in > >> > BYU's Animation Emphasis for the Computer Science major, and I don't > >> > intend to stop using it. But my role in its development will > >> > disappear. > >> > > >> > Sorry, Campbell; I know you don't like doing those Release Notes. > >> > > >> > Thanks for everything. > >> > > >> > God Bless, > >> > Gavin Howard > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bf-committers mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bf-committers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > With best regards, Sergey Sharybin > > _______________________________________________ > > Bf-committers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > _______________________________________________ > Bf-committers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin _______________________________________________ Bf-committers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
