Our discussion arose because JC told the OP that they had not been
playing Chicago Express, but rather a variant, since the OP had fooled
someone into making a dumb move with table talk. I found his comment
to be both patronizing and rude, so I decided to argue.

On Jan 3, 6:41 pm, Cole <[email protected]> wrote:
> To clarify:  I talk all the time during games I play, but only when
> its not my move and not to influence the moves of other players.
>
> On Jan 3, 6:40 pm, Cole <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Probably.  I've been in and around BGG for about seven years and that
> > has almost always been an issue.  In my gaming group, if we are not
> > playing an explicitly negotiation game, "table talk"/"manipulation" is
> > seen as insulting to the targets intelligence, as if to say, "surely
> > you don't think I'm dumb enough to forsake my own judgment."
>
> > Now, of course, if we are playing with new players the older players
> > will offer a mature and reasoned council if the new player wants help,
> > but this sort of meta gaming all but invalidates the games result,
> > even if it makes for a nice teaching technique.
>
> > On Jan 3, 6:34 pm, jdl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 3, 5:27 pm, Cole <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Must have really entertained you to carry the conversation into a
> > > > another thread. Because I've got a little bit of time, how could you
> > > > argue against JC's fifth point: "Any behavior not expressly permitted
> > > > in the rules of a game should
> > > > be considered expressly forbidden by those rules."
>
> > > Is this a rehash of the "should players in a Dominant Species game be
> > > allowed to speak" argument that was derailing one of the DS reviews a
> > > couple of months ago?
>
> > > --
> > > JDL

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