On Oct 11, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:

<snip>

>
>>> That parser can in principle determine the indicators, but currently
>>> they are ignored. They are not always included and are sometimes
>>> inconsistent. I haven't found a real need for them for the fields we
>>> parse.
>>>
>>>> I take it that is possible identify the contents of a subfield,
>>>> e.g.,
>>>> B358 in this case being subfield a, indicated by $a.
>>>>
>>
>> Well, in some cases, the indicator can tell if a name is in direct
>> order or reverse order. It also is used to distinguish titles from
>> subtitles in the 245 field, and this has standardly used punctuation,
>> which I usually end up having to correct.
>>
>
> Perhaps. But in the samples I have seen the indicators were used
> often inconsistently or were missing.

Some fields don't come with indicators and so their absence doesn't  
mean that they're missing.

> Also in some formats they are not easy to get.

This is a more serious worry.

> Also this is subtle information, while often even
> well documented standards not followed by some libraries, which may
> break our importing mechanism for those libraries. So I don't really
> trust all (or even most) libraries to do things right, therefore I
> rather just ignore it if I'm not sure it's really worth it.
>

I am a good deal less pessmistic than you are about standards and how  
well they're followed; but in any case, regarding the indicators,  
it's not a big deal; but since we've had this discussion I have a  
better sense of what it might be possible to do with the parser.

>>>> I am starting with subject terms, which I think should go into the
>>>> keywords field.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My problem is that there seem to be really a lot of fields that  
>>> could
>>> be suitable for keywords. I think most users wouldn't want to  
>>> pollute
>>> their keywords with too much trash.
>>>
>>
>> There are some things that people probably do want, like library of
>> congress subject headings; but maybe not. Generally the 600 fields
>> are used for subjects of various kinds. I have been identifying those
>> most likely to be useful with the hope that the parser can be
>> tinkered with to put them in the keywords field.
>>
>> Currently subjects are imported from PubMed, so I am building up a
>> subset of MeSH subject headings in my keywords field. A given record
>> usually has lots and lots of those; a library catalog record will
>> have at most three or four. I think it would be nice to do the same
>> with the LoC keywords, or at least, not have to enter in the keywords
>> myself from my own list at first, especially if I import a lot at
>> once.
>>
>> If developers and other users really do think they don't want
>> keywords brought in, let me know, and I won't keep up the effort.
>>
>
> If there are fields that pretty consistently contain useful
> information we could add them. But i know too little about the
> general practice of MARC to know which fields are relevant, I don't
> use it myself.
>

I know all too much about MARC and I am hoping that the information  
will be useful for BD users and not too hard to build in.

-AMG
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