On 4 Feb 2008, at 11:11 PM, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2008 4:32 PM, Adam R. Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2008 10:39 AM, Simon Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 04.02.2008, at 10:32, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if there's the possibility to integrate Sparkle with
>>>> complete auto-update into BibDesk. It is already in Skim and
>>>> therefore
>>>> I guess it should be possible even though it's hosted on  
>>>> Sourceforge
>>>> (this was the argument previously against it)
>>>>
>>>> There is a feature request for this as well
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
>>>> func=detail&aid=1682848&group_id=61487&atid=497426
>>>> , but nothing much has happened here.
>>
>> I think I was one of the roadblocks to incorporating Sparkle, but
>> since I've quit doing development and releases, Christiaan might
>> integrate it as he did with Skim.  SourceForge support said that
>> Sparkle is not supported, and it may break at any time.  YHBW.
>
> But as long as it isn't broken and as long as it is not too
> complicated to be built in I think it would be a good addition :)
>

Don't say that too easily. the whole point of an updater is to notify  
for updates. And if sourceforge breaks it the whole feature stops  
working. Any fix would necessarily come too late.

>>> just an additional idea - you could set up then two
>>> update-possibilities: stable and nightly. That would ease it up for
>>> ppl who wanna test a lot of things I think because they do not  
>>> have to
>>> download the nightly on regular basis.
>>
>> That may require changes to the nightly build system; if so, I'm not
>> going to invest any time in making it work, but I'll happily let
>> anyone with a Leopard system take over nightly builds.  Mike Hohensee
>> did nightly builds for a long time, but I didn't want to ask him to
>> install Leopard on his PowerBook just for this.
>
> Why would we be Leopard needed? I just thought that it could be done
> via Sparkle. If I understood the framework right it is just an appcast
> (in contrast to a podcast) and that you would need only two feeds then
> while the user selects in the preferences which he wants. The person
> who does the nightly build would just have to update the rss-feed in
> addition to the nightly build, wouldn't he/she?
>
> Niels

Adam is talking about building nightly builds, not about sending  
update notifications.

Also I don't think it's a good idea. Nightly builds shouldn't be  
advertised. They can be total crap, as the process is automated. And  
you can just easily check. Also it currently cannot be done with  
Sparkle, as Sparkle cannot make a difference between categories of  
updates. And users who aren't interested in testing should not get a  
daily update notification.

Also at the moment I don't want to add Sparkle. There are some bugs  
in it (which we fixed in Skim). So we should at least wait till  
Sparkle comes with a new version.

Christiaan



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