On 18 Mar 2008, at 11:32 AM, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Christiaan Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> >> On 18 Mar 2008, at 11:14 AM, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Christiaan Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 18 Mar 2008, at 8:49 AM, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Peter Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Your specific case can partially be achieved with %P, see >>>>>> [^1]. As >>>>>> far as I know there is no if/then operator (and I think no >>>>>> plans to >>>>>> add one). >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] <http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_90.html#SEC157 >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, %p is already in usage -- therefore it seems I have only the >>>>> problems with organization-only texts ;) >>>>> >>>>> I have to reformulate: Please add "or organization" to %P or %p >>>>> >>>>> Niels >>>>> >>>> >>>> Orgnaization is not a person, so that would be impossible. For the >>>> rest, there will not be a generic if-then format. >>> >>> In most countries most organizations are legal persons if the >>> definition of anything in %p has to be a person and this is the only >>> reason not to include it. >>> >>> Niels >>> >> >> I'm not talking about the real world, I'm talking about bibtex ;-) > > But even in the bst-styles I encountered you find a "author or editor > or organization" (iirc sometimes organization is replaced by key for > sorting) because with a paper from an organization (where the author > is the organization and no "person") you would end up with no name in > the author in bibliographies. Especially with works form governments > you have no authors or editors but just the ministry. > In the auto-generation I have then always to create a cite-key by hand > and the folder-structure gets "messed" up > > Niels >
Styles can put it in place of a person, but that's irrelevant. An organization isn't a Person field (doesn't have a first name, last name, etc.) No formatting. So it cannot be used in place of an author in our formats. these special cases must be handled by hand. There always will be edge cases where you need to do things by hand. Christiaan >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Niels Kobschaetzki >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have sometimes the problem that I have some work that is >>>>>>> from an >>>>>>> organization w/out any author. While I am able to put in the >>>>>>> organization it would be great that if a cite-key is auto- >>>>>>> generated or >>>>>>> a file auto-filed that there are options for an "if/then"- >>>>>>> operator. >>>>>>> Something like: If there are no authors, try to use the editors- >>>>>>> field, >>>>>>> if there aren't authors or editors use the organization field >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> cite-key and the auto-filing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niels >>> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bibdesk-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Bibdesk-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bibdesk-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
