Just wondering: if we get charged an access fee for the Cap City Trail, does that
mean it will get plowed and maintained for year-round use? Like any other street?
Not holding my breath...
Regards,
Gene Tolli
"Paul T. O'Leary" wrote:
> I suppose somebody should gently remind this LePine guy that "bikers" are those
> dentally-challenged, facially-follicled, leather-clad guys who ride Harleys.
>
> As for "a funding source", how 'bout diverting a nickel or so from the Health
> Department? The Cop Shop? EMS? Streets? All the agencies whose budgets
> subsidize motor vehicle traffic, in the name of "essential services"?
>
> It's the same as "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." The
> archives brim with posts about the real costs of MV traffic to municipal govt.
> Here's an idea; what if we did up a make-believe budget, removing all bike
> facilities? BUT, what if we took the number of bicycle commuters who use these
> facilities, and virtually "convert" them to single-occupant motor vehicles?
> Proportionally crank up all the costs already attributed to to existing MV
> traffic. ***THAT*** is the budget baseline from which ***ALL*** decisions about
> alternative transportation infrastructure should be based. Yeah, I know, this
> is essentially what others have said, but I think it needs to be put in exactly
> these terms to people like this LePine.
>
> "Can we afford it?" is the wrong question. The real question is "Can we afford
> not to have it?"
>
> Um silly question: Your proposal was about City of Madison streets; why did you
> Email Dane County staff? Just wondering...
>
> From: Dieter Bingemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > This is the response I received from Dane County Parks on my suggestion to
> > charge trail fees on Johnson, East Wash and such...
> >
> > **************************
> >
> > From: "LePine, Kenneth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Dieter
> >
> > I am not sure you what your point is. Seems like a reasonable solution to
> > me. Maybe there should be less time spent on e-mail like this and more time
> > spent working on politicians to get part of the gas tax money to support
> > maintenance of these trails and give us some operational dollars to use to keep
> > them up. It appears you all have very good philosophical arguments why you
> > should not have to pay anything, why don't you spend your time on a funding
> > solutions rather than picking on the agencies that try to provide the service
> > with inadequate budgets. I have been parks director for 10 years and I have yet
> > to see one biker at the county board supporting a budget increase for the
> > trails. Lets get the state, federal and local funds to help use maintain and
> > improve these facilities. I have had political pressure by county board
> > supervisor to develop a county bike license and other methods of funding. We
> > chose in Dane County to have a already existing fee be the revenue sources to
> > help us with the operational costs so it would have a smaller effect on the
> > biking community since I would think most bikers support their activity by
> > purchasing the state trail pass already.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dieter Bingemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Given the budget constraints for city street maintenance, the city is
> > holding meetings to discuss the fee level for automotive use of the streets in
> > Madison. The city is concerned about raising revenue for street maintenance. The
> > proposed fees are $1.00 for a day pass and $25 for the annual pass for single
> > streets. The fee for the annual pass for the complete network is still under
> > discussion. All meetings will be held at Madison's Department of Street
> > Maintenance, City County Building. Interested parties are invited to attend.
> >
> > Street: E. Johnson Street
> > Meeting: Mon, April 23, 4:30 pm
> >
> > W. Johnson Street
> > Mon 4/23, 5:00 pm
> >
> > E. Washington (downtown to First Street)
> > Mon, 4/23, 5:30
> >
> > E. Washington (east of First Street)
> > Mon, 4/23, 6:00 pm
> >
> > N. Sherman
> > Mon, 4/23, 6:30 pm
> >
> > Packers
> > Mon, 4/23, 7:00 pm
> >
> > Monroe
> > Tue, 4/24, 4:30 pm
> >
> > Nakoma
> > Tue, 4/24, 5:00 pm
> >
> > Odana
> > Tue, 4/24, 5:30 pm
> >
> > Gammon
> > Tue, 4/24, 6:00 pm
> >
> > Other main roads and neighborhood streets will follow shortly.
> >
> > Middleton and Dane County expressed interest to extend the fee system to
> > their street trails as well.
> >
> >
> > ********** Original Message *********
> >
> > >I have been informed that the Dane County Park Commission will be
> > >holding a meeting to discuss fee levels for various Dane County Park
> > >programs. One of the proposals is to require a State Trail Pass for
> > >users of the Capital City Trail. The Dane County Park Commission is
> > >concerned about raising revenue for trail maintenance.
> > >
> > >The meeting will be:
> > >Wednesday April 25
> > >5:15 pm
> > >Dane County Parks
> > >4318 Robertson Rd
> > >Madison
> > >
> > >(this is just east USH 51/Stoughton Rd and, depending upon your
> > >approach direction, either south of Milwaukee St , off the USH
> > >51/Stoughton Rd frontage/service road; or, coming from the south,
> > >north of Cottage Grove Rd off of Atlas Ave)
> > >
> > >For more information, contact
> > >Ken LePine, Dane County Parks Director, 246-3895 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
> > >or
> > >Jim Mueller, Dane County Parks Planner, 246-3893
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -------------------
> Paul T. O'Leary
> Desktop Insurgent
> Madison, WI USA
