In Message 3 on Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:11:08 -0500 Matt Logan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Subject: [Bikies] Both cyclists, drivers disregard laws (Portland Or) > > An interesting article from Portland Oregon. I found the "Blue > Bike Lane" and a new "Bikes slow for stop signs, not stop bill " items > intriguing. Check out the video clip on the sidebar at the right. > > http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=59665 It might be a minor point, but in one of the examples of a bicyclist going through a red, what they showed was someone at a red light and stopping as though it were a stop _sign_ and then proceeding while the light was still red. But what the video shows and the TV person did not note is that the bicyclist was crossing that intersection through the red light IN THE CROSSWALK. I don't know and haven't checked Oregon's laws, but in Wisconsin bicyclists are allowed to use crosswalks in the manner of pedestrians, so what the bicyclist was shown doing _may_ not have actually been illegal depending on Oregon law. (Pedestrians are required to yield the right of way to vehicular traffic proceeding through a green signal. Once all the vehicles have gone by, you've fulfilled your obligation to yield at that crosswalk, no? It would appear then, that if you are in the traffic lane and facing a red signal you must stop until it changes, but if you are in the crosswalk, you must merel y yield. Or is there something else that says that yield really means stop and stay stopped?) ...and Paul O'Leary replied > It has an especially interesting intro: > > "More than 8,000 cyclists hit Portland's streets every day. > That creates plenty of conflict with drivers,..." > > I await the day that such an article begins "More than <x-hundred-thousand> car > drivers hit <city-name> streets every day. That creates plenty of conflict with > bicyclists..." Gee, if it were a newspaper rather than a TV station, you could write a letter to the editor to that effect. Maybe if _Willamette Week_ has some kind of media critique column you could share that observation with them. Now go back to lunch... Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino >From the Department of Military Intelligence and Jumbo Shrimp: Sign seen on a recently poisoned lawn on Johnson: TruGreen/ChemLawn ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies
