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Today's Topics:
1. RE: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference/tragic
crash in Madison (Michael D. Barrett)
2. RE: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference/tragic
crash in Madison (Michael D. Barrett)
3. edit on last post (Michael D. Barrett)
4. RE: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School NationalConference/tragic
crash in Madison (Matt Logan)
5. Re: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference/tragic
crash in Madison (Robbie Webber)
6. Re: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference/tragic
crash in Madison (Robbie Webber)
7. Dropping off at school (Cathy Van Maren)
8. Re: Dropping off at school (Robbie Webber)
9. not enough parking ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
10. RE: FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference/tragic
crash in Madison (Ann Freiwald)
Thanks for your efforts, past & present on this.
-Mike
At 3:38 PM -0500 9/11/07, Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR wrote:
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Anne, I'd love to help out in some way on this.
First, regarding Safe Routes, I served as the Safe Routes parent
volunteer for a couple years at Randall toward the end of the last
century.
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Motorist Speed (mph) Chance of Ped Fatality
20 5%
30 45%
40 85%
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-Mike
Where's my editor!!!!!!!
-Mike
http://www.mmsd.org/topics/supt/
From the sounds of it, the current administration is considering
larger
parking lots to address the problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bikies-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael D. Barrett
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Bikies] FW: 1st Safe Routes to School
NationalConference/tragic crash in Madison
Jeff,
This would make a fantastic Op-Ed. It would require very little
tweaking to make it adaptable to the print medium.
Thanks for your efforts, past & present on this.
-Mike
At 3:38 PM -0500 9/11/07, Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR wrote:
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Anne, I'd love to help out in some way on this.
First, regarding Safe Routes, I served as the Safe Routes parent
volunteer for a couple years at Randall toward the end of the last
century.
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But we have also contacted the Madison School Board, the
administration,
principals, and other city alders about the need for a larger Safe
Routes to School program. Unfortunately, the school district just
doesn't see it as a priority when they have so many other issues. But
they definitely are starting to wake up to the fact that city
actions -
specifically developments and traffic engineering, as well as police
attention to traffic concerns - affect their schools and the safety of
their staff and students. There is interest in working together,
but no
one wants to spend any money or time, because both are in short
supply.
I am asking for some rather small items in the 2008 city budget.
One of
them is that I would like to see the school walk route maps updated.
This is important, because they are the base information for where
kids
are supposed to be walking; where we have to concentrate safety
efforts;
and the maps can point out areas where there are problems. But right
now, they can only be read by a traffic engineer, and I'm not sure
they
can really understand them.
The Council is considering the 2008 budget in November, but the
Mayor is
putting together his version now. I would suggest writing other
alders,
as well as the Mayor, to say that Safe Routes to School should be
included. Contact the school board, Superintendent Rainwater, your
kids
teachers and principals, and any local community groups and start
agitating. There are people out there trying to fix these programs,
but
we need everyone's voice to lend support so we can get funding.
Thanks all, for the concern.
-- Robbie
http://www.saferoutesinfo.org/guide/enforcement/
identifying_unsafe_behaviors.cfm
The data and chart that corresponds to Mike's numbers are about
half way
down the page.
-- Robbie
Michael D. Barrett wrote:
Someone just asked me about the #s re: car speed and chance of ped
fatality. I think it might be of interest to the whole list. So, are
the chances of death, according to the Madison Ped Plan (1997):
********************************************************
Motorist Speed (mph) Chance of Ped Fatality
20 5%
30 45%
40 85%
Most (not all) of this stuff has occurred in our family.
Maybe schools should establish drop off zones that are at least one
block from the school with adult supervision along the walk from
zone to
school (with umbrellas when it's raining).
Maybe bikies at each school should establish "bike-bus" routes where
adult leaders bike with a pack of kids (establish routes and start
times
for those who sign up. Give prizes - waterbottles, gloves, jersies,
etc.
to kids who participate x% during the semester (use a punch ticket
attached to the bike))
When possible my child and I take the bus to my work and then she
rides
on (about 1.5 miles) to school. She rides back to my work after and we
ride home together. She's been riding her bike to school since she was
about 6 months old (ok I was riding the bike, but she was in the bike
seat). This morning I talked to a young man who was taking the city
bus
to high school (a closer one than ours). This year, the school bus co.
decided he lives too close (probably about 1.2 miles) to take the
school
bus to school so he has to ride the city bus or get a ride from his
parent. "Why don't you ride your bike?" I asked. I dont' think he'd
ever
thought of it but think I can convert him.
One at a time.
- cathy
--
Cathy Van Maren
Upward Bound
176 Murphy
UW-L
La Crosse, WI 54601
608 785-8539
608 785-8757 (fax)
www.uwlax.edu/UpBound
Several years ago, a village board member in Shorewood Hills
complained
to me about the traffic problems around the school. Parents were
blocking other people getting out of their driveways; creating safety
hazards for pedestrians; arguing with each other; and generally
making a
mess of the school area. I suggested that they institute a no-drop-off
area and then designate an area where parents could park for 15
minutes
and walk with their kids. There is a small strip mall about 1/4 mile
from the school. I though that would be a good place. He assured me
that
no one would do it, and questioned what kids and parents would do in
winter.
Winter? Do I have to go into stories about walking to school in winter
when I was a kid?
I should also point out that not one kid who attends the Shorewood
Hills
Elementary School lives more than 1.5 miles from the school, so there
are no buses!
-- Robbie
Cathy Van Maren wrote:
Parents are going to continue dropping their kids at school. Maybe
the
school is on the way to work and it's the only time the parent has to
talk to the child. Maybe the child has 50+ pounds of books in her/his
backpack. Maybe she/he has to bring a big poster or project to
school.
Maybe the parent is afraid that unless she/he watches the child
actually enter the school, the child may not actually enter the
school. Maybe the bus driver is a religious fanatic who makes the
kids
listen to Christian music on the bus. Maybe there are bullies on the
bus. etc. etc. etc.
Most (not all) of this stuff has occurred in our family.
Maybe schools should establish drop off zones that are at least one
block from the school with adult supervision along the walk from zone
to school (with umbrellas when it's raining).
Maybe bikies at each school should establish "bike-bus" routes where
adult leaders bike with a pack of kids (establish routes and start
times for those who sign up. Give prizes - waterbottles, gloves,
jersies, etc. to kids who participate x% during the semester (use a
punch ticket attached to the bike))
from the CapTimes
http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=/tct/
2007/09/11/0709110274.php
"John Matthews, executive director of Madison Teachers Inc., said
in an e-mail this morning that many Madison schools lack parking
space for staff, which causes teachers and other school workers to
park on the street, which he called an avoidable safety hazard."
So the problem with someone getting hit by a car? not enough parking.
Un-fucking-believable.
--
=====
darin
Please do the same if you see fit. When I get the letter done I will
share it around so you can make it your own if you wish and send it
in.
Many things bother me about this incident, but the attitudes being
expressed in comments on line, that the walker was at fault the driver
could not have helped what happened bother me most. =20
Ann M. Freiwald, ASLA
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Webber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:16 PM
To: Ann Freiwald
Cc: [email protected]; Sarah Gaskell; Reed Dunbar; Sean Boyce; Emily
Ehlers
Subject: Re: [Bikies] FW: 1st Safe Routes to School National
Conference/tragic crash in Madison
There is a School Traffic Safety Team, consisting of
representatives of
Traffic Engineering, Health, Police, Safe Community Coalition, the
School District, and PBMVC (that would be me.) Mostly we have been
working on traffic issues around school and working to improve pick-up
and drop-off behavior of parents. Obviously, that is what would have
helped in this situation.
But we have also contacted the Madison School Board, the
administration,
principals, and other city alders about the need for a larger Safe
Routes to School program. Unfortunately, the school district just
doesn't see it as a priority when they have so many other issues. But
they definitely are starting to wake up to the fact that city
actions -
specifically developments and traffic engineering, as well as police
attention to traffic concerns - affect their schools and the safety of
their staff and students. There is interest in working together,
but no
one wants to spend any money or time, because both are in short
supply.
I am asking for some rather small items in the 2008 city budget.
One of
them is that I would like to see the school walk route maps
updated.=20
This is important, because they are the base information for where
kids
are supposed to be walking; where we have to concentrate safety
efforts;
and the maps can point out areas where there are problems. But right
now, they can only be read by a traffic engineer, and I'm not sure
they
can really understand them.
The Council is considering the 2008 budget in November, but the
Mayor is
putting together his version now. I would suggest writing other
alders,
as well as the Mayor, to say that Safe Routes to School should be
included. Contact the school board, Superintendent Rainwater, your
kids
teachers and principals, and any local community groups and start
agitating. There are people out there trying to fix these programs,
but
we need everyone's voice to lend support so we can get funding.
Thanks all, for the concern.
-- Robbie
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