I agree with Mike about hand signaling on a bike, but blowing through stop 
signs is still a safety hazard.  If there are cars to signal to, then there are 
cars to stop for.  I am a big fan of the "stop and go" method at stop signs AND 
stop lights (I know it isn't legal, but I think it is safe and sound), but 
blowing through stop signs is a very good way to get seriously injured on a 
bike.  You will only get lucky so many times in a row.  I know more than one 
cyclist who got clobbered this way... and it is no fun.

-india

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ivey <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: RE: [Bikies] get noticed
To: Troy Thiel <[email protected]>, [email protected], India Rose 
Viola <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]

> For my money, just getting riders to use hand signals is by far the No 
> 1
> way to make a good impression 
>  
> Keep it simple: left arm out for left turn, right arm out for right turn
> (forget that outdated "bent arm" thing from the 1950s)
>  
> How come so few riders signal??
>  
> I blow through stop signs all the time but as long as you signal drivers
> don't seem to care
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Troy Thiel [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:09 PM
> To: [email protected]; India Rose Viola
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Bikies] get noticed
> 
> 
> I do somewhat the same, without pulling in front of the vehicle....slow,
> stand on the peddles, showing the drivers in the area that I'm clearly
> not just blasting through on my merry way...I don't want to get hit by
> two tons of metal!....the standing also allows me to keep some momentum
> if possible to track stand still if need be and get up to speed quicker
> AND makes me more noticeable..it would be nice to drop the 20 pounds I'd
> like to so that I wasn't SO big and noticeable but we've got too good 
> of
> beer in these parts.  Live to ride another day...there's plenty of roads
> and trails out there where you can hammer without stopping if that's
> what you're looking for. 
> 
> As to a slightly earlier thread....I'm still convinced that a marketing
> campaign of all the types of cyclists are out there and how it helps the
> common good...I thought of "One Less"...one less car competing for your
> lane...your parking spot...one less person whose health is troubled and
> its associated costs (hopefully!) one less person taxing the
> roadways...one less person creating pollution....heightening demand for
> gas and if in great number, the price....one less person uptight at work
> because of the catharsis of a good commute...there are plenty of other
> "one less" items..and a lot of one "more"...one more person enjoying
> nature...one more person easing traffic....etc etc....robbie and matt
> are right..wayyyyyy too much perception of cyclists as all the same
> person...1 outta 10 run reds when they shouldn't if that...but media
> types allege its ALL of us....
> 
> we can do better...Ride the Drive was a great example of how so...now
> lets get implementing a LOT of those Platinum Bike strategies....bike
> racks on Parking meters anyone???
> 
> Have a great riding weekend,
> 
> 
> Troy Thiel
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>       From: India Rose Viola <[email protected]>
>       Subject: Re: [Bikies] get noticed
>       To: [email protected]
>       Cc: [email protected]
>       Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:26 PM
>       
>       
>       What David described is pretty much what I do, too.  It works
> well.
>       Another good tactic is making eye contact with oncoming
> motorists, as well as a friendly hand-wave.  I usually get a smile back,
> and suddenly we are all on the same "team" again.  Connecting with a
> smile and a wave reminds us that we are still human- no matter what our
> mode of transport might be.
>       
>       -india
>       
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: David Waugh <[email protected]>
>       Date: Friday, September 4, 2009 4:20 pm
>       Subject: [Bikies] get noticed
>       To: [email protected]
>       
>       
>       > A good way for bikes to be appreciated by motorists for
> stopping at 
>       > red lights is to move to the center of the lane, right in
> front of the 
>       > waiting autos (this also allows for cars turning right to be
> able to 
>       > do so.)  I always imagine the driver getting anxious that I
> will 
>       > impede their progress once the light turns green.  A split
> second 
>       > before the light turns green, and if the coast is clear, ride
> out into 
>       > the intersection and go back to the right hand side of the
> roadway.  
>       > The auto drivers clearly registered in their brain that you
> stopped 
>       > and waited, and then they were happy you didn't block their
> path after 
>       > all.  Kudos to bikers!
>       > 
>       > David Waugh
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