Bikies happy hour at the downtown Great Dane Monday March 15 @ 5 is on my calendar. I'll be there if my workday ends on time.
-india *********************** India Viola UW-Madison Stretton Lab 115 Zoology Research Bldg. 1117 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 608.262.3336 *********************** "How can we learn from our mistakes if we don't first acknowledge them?" -Anonymous "We exist in the bacterial world, not bacteria in ours" -Stuart Levy ----- Original Message ----- From: "STRAWSER, Charles" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:29 am Subject: RE: [Bikies] NYTimes: An Electric Boost for Bicyclists] To: [email protected] Cc: Darryl Jordan <[email protected]>, Troy Thiel <[email protected]>, "VIOLA, INDIA R" <[email protected]> > Troy and India were the first two to respond, but the number two was pretty > arbitrary, and Troy’s proposal has merit. > > > > However, the most convenient time and place for me would be the Great > Dane > (downtown) at 5pm before the next Joint SE Campus/City committee meeting, > which is tentatively scheduled for March 15. > > Barring a change of that committee’s meeting schedule, I will try to arrive > at the Great Dane by 5pm or earlier. I will buy the first pitcher, and > then > unfortunately I will have to leave the discussion to others in order > to make > the committee meeting at 6pm. > > > > chuck > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Darryl Jordan > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:14 AM > To: Troy Thiel; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] NYTimes: An Electric Boost for Bicyclists] > > > > sure! > > when? > > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Troy Thiel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Troy Thiel <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] NYTimes: An Electric Boost for Bicyclists] > To: "bikies" <[email protected]>, "CharlesSTRAWSER" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:52 AM > > > > I'll buy the first two people who've read this far a cup of coffee (or > your > beverage of choice, Bob). > > Chuck Strawser > > > > or how about a pitcher of beer at the Memorial Union to continue the > discussion on all things bikes? It would be fun to put names, faces and > voices to emails! > > Troy Thiel > First Weber's Capitol and West Towne Offices > Over 300 Properties and $60 Million Sold! > > 222 West Washington Avenue, Suite 20 > > Madison, WI 53703 > > www.TroyThiel.com < > > cell: 347-9670 home: 238-7677 office fax: 663-8040 > email: [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] NYTimes: An Electric Boost for Bicyclists] > To: "bikies" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:39 AM > > > From: robert paolino > [snip] In Wisconsin, it's probably a moot point, at least for now, as > electric bicycles aren't legal on public roads. [snip] > ---------------------------------------- > > While it seems inadvisable to argue with someone who works for the > Legislative Reference Bureau about the interpretation of state > statutes, I'm > not sure the statement above is always accurate. I'm sure Bob is > correct that > the bicycles described in the NYT article would not be legal on Wisconsin > roads, but I met one person in Madison who added an electric motor > (with a > governor limiting it to 20mph) to his bicycle. I believe that his bicycle > meets the definition of "motor bicycle" and is therefore legal not > only on > public roads (that don't expressly prohibit bicycles), but also "bikeways" > (e.g., bike paths) when the power unit is not in operation (and that > is the > default setting for his bicycle). Michael had installed this: > http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/ > > Here is my understanding of the laws pertaining to motor bicycles: > The definition of motor bicycle > http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0340.pdf > > 340.01(30) “Motor bicycle” means a bicycle to which a power unit not an > integral part of the vehicle has been added to permit the vehicle to travel > at a speed of not more than 30 miles per hour with a 150−pound rider > on a > dry, level, hard surface with no wind and having a seat for the operator. > > ...And motor bicycles meeting that definition are allowed on roads > (and even > paths if power unit is not in operation) under some conditions - > > Text below from WisDOT BOTS HS226 3/05 "Bicycle and In-line Skate Laws": > > 346.02 (a) [...] For the purposes of this chapter, provisions, which apply > to bicycles, also apply to motor bicycles, except as otherwise expressly > provided. (b) Provisions which apply to the operation of bicycles in > crosswalks under ss 346.23, 346.24, 346.37(1) a 2., (c) and (d) 2. And > 346.38 > do not apply to motor bicycles." > > But 346.79 Special Rules applicable to bicycles [...] (5) No person > may ride > a moped or motor bicycle with the power unit in operation" > > Mostly what is arguable about the interpretation of these laws is > whether the > motor of any particular "motor bicycle" is integral to the bike. There > is a > problem with most of the modern day electric bicycles that are manufactured > with the motor unit in place. One could easily argue that the motor > unit is > integral, thus making it a moped. However, these bike-like mopeds > cannot be > registered as mopeds because they do not meet federal transportation safety > standards. WisDOT is trying to get a state law recognizing low speed > electric bicycles as motor bicycles with the units being integral. > The max > [proposed] speed is 20 mph with a 170 rider (the federal definition > from the > CPSC). This is probably why Bob says "at least for now." And WisDOT > has, to > my knowledge, so far been unsuccessful in this endeavor. > > On a somewhat related topic, WisDOT distinguishes between mopeds and motor > scooters here: > http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/motorcycle/mopeds.htm > > > I'll buy the first two people who've read this far a cup of coffee (or > your > beverage of choice, Bob). > > Chuck Strawser > University of Wisconsin-Madison > Transportation Services > UW Commuter Solutions > Pedestrian/Bicycle Coordinator > 124 WARF bldg > 610 Walnut Street > Madison WI 53726 > 608-263-2969 > www.wisc.edu/trans > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > < > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
