I'm trying to imagine Barrett's response to wider roads . . . ;) On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Jay Ferm <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dan, glad to hear the idea is on your radar. Hope to talk with you > more about it. > > Best, > Jay > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:32 PM, McCormick, Dan > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jay, > > > > Thanks very much for sharing the article. I agree with the point of > > the article. We were just talking at staff meeting about this same > > topic related to Segoe Rd. & it's resurfacing this year. We discussed > > that the standard really is a minimum & the trend needs to look for a > > wider bike lane & space & separaration or buffer from traffic. > > > > Last summer I also came across a family cycling & the father > > apparently hit a parked car's side mirror on Bluff St. seemingly > > protecting his family. Not the experience we want. > > > > Thanks again for the article. Look forward to making bicycling better > > in Madison. > > > > Dan McCormick > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:12 PM, "Jay Ferm" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> (Dan, I got your email wrong below...jbf) > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Jay Ferm <[email protected]> > >> Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:09 PM > >> Subject: "family sized" bike lanes > >> To: [email protected] > >> Cc: [email protected], Tony Fernandez > >> <[email protected]>, Ray Harmon <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >> Jonathan over at www.bikeportland.com has a very good article about > >> family biking on bikelanes, bike boulevards and residential streets. > >> Heres the link: > >> > http://bikeportland.org/2010/03/04/editorial-when-it-comes-to-family-biking-size-matters/#more-30258 > >> > >> This gets to a point we discussed on the Platinum Bike Planning > >> Committee but have yet to realize here in Madison (to my knowledge, > >> please correct me if I'm mistaken), that it would be helpful to define > >> a "design reference cyclist" for whom we design infrastructure. > >> Currently, it would seem that most (maybe all) infrastructure we > >> design and build in Madison is designed for a confident adult riding > >> by themselves on a standard bike with no cargo on a clear day. As soon > >> as two people want to ride together, it rains, you pull a trailer, > >> ride with kidsj you add substantial cargo, the real world performance > >> of the infrastructure quickly degrades. > >> > >> What would the Capitol City Trail (né Isthmus Bike Path) look like if > >> it were designed for a 70 year old grandmother pulling a trailer with > >> her 2 year old grandchild in it with a 7 year old riding her own bike? > >> For starters, the path would be much wider, allowing this trio to > >> comfortably pass a similar group coming the opposite direction. At > >> intersections, the full length of the bike + trailer would be > >> accommodated as it approached, stopped, got started again. Since the > >> kid riding in the trailer with no suspension has no way to foresee > >> bumps nor the ability to raise up on legs to deal with bumps, the curb > >> cut transitions would be smooth and gentle, rather than the gut > >> jarring transitions we mostly have today. When they arrived at their > >> destination, some percentage of the bike parking would gracefully > >> accomodate the bike+trailer. > >> > >> This isn't a knock on staff. It's a challenge to policy. I think we > >> need to talk about who we are designing for, and the impact that > >> infrastructure design has on users. > >> > >> Best, > >> Jay Ferm > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >
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