I've noticed a slight uptick in motorist anger/frustration when biking in various places this year. When alone or with one other person there are more vehicles intentionally passing close by when there is plenty of room for them to give a wide berth. I don't think it's restricted to Seminole hwy. I wonder if it has anything to do with the price of gasoline? I've also noticed a definite increase in motorist courtesy toward bikers around Dane County across the last couple of years. (especially in the Madison-Fitchburg-Monona area)
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Bikies mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Bikies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New Bike Boxes (Kevin Luecke) > 2. Seminole Highway anger? (Kevin Luecke) > 3. Re: Seminole Highway anger? (Liz Zelandais) > 4. Re: New Bike Boxes (KMSH) > 5. Re: New Bike Boxes (Darryl Jordan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 08:35:23 -0500 > From: Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] New Bike Boxes > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Curious why we now switched to green, instead of red, especially in > > the campus area where red would have been appropriate, the color at > least. > > > Hi Aaron. > > Green was the widely accepted color for bike boxes before Madison decided > to > experiment with red. Recently the Federal Highway Administration began > allowing the use of green in bike lanes and boxes without having to apply > for "experimental" status and requested that Madison change their boxes to > green. It looks like green will be the official on-street color nationally > for bicycle facilities (which makes some sense given the long-term use of > green for bike route signs). > > Kevin > > -- > *Kevin Luecke** > *Lead Planner, Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin > www.bfw.org | 608-251-4456 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20110523/0deab974/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 08:43:46 -0500 > From: Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Bikies] Seminole Highway anger? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone noticed an uptick in incidents with angry motorists on Seminole > Highway since the Badger Trail was completed? While riding in the road > there > myself and my wife have now had a number of incidents with cars slowing > down > (no opposing traffic) specifically to lay on their horn or scream at us. I > also have a message in my inbox this morning about an altercation with a > driver over the weekend in which a small group of riders were yelled at and > then one was struck by the driver of a BMW. > > I love the new Badger Trail (rode it to a wedding in Freeport, IL last > fall), but the location along the edge of Seminole is problematic. I will > often stay in the road rather than taking the path when heading south for a > few reasons: > > - If there is much traffic, I don't want to wait to cross Seminole > - I am often heading west at the end of Seminole, away from the path > - The path is often full of slower moving walkers, skaters and families > on bikes, and it drives me crazy when I am on a path commuting and some > lycra-clad roadie goes blasting by (not that I am fast enough to be > considered blasting), so I try to avoid doing that to others > > The new path is great - I see tons of people out that way that I never saw > out there before the path, but the sidepath nature of it gives motorists > the > impression that ALL bikers belong there. > > Anyone else having problems on Seminole north of Whalen? > > Kevin > > -- > *Kevin Luecke** > *Lead Planner, Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin > www.bfw.org | 608-251-4456 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20110523/ebe53329/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Liz Zelandais <[email protected]> > To: Kevin Luecke <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Seminole Highway anger? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes! When I rode with the LUNA Chix last Thursday--even with our group > riding > single file and as far to the right as possible, stopping at stops signs, > and > generally being good citizens not obstructing auto traffic--we got horn > blasts, > a little yelling, and the occasional middle digit. > > Kevin, I think all of your reasons for staying on the road are valid. > Another is > the cost of a trail pass (although I have one, but some of the Chix > mentioned > that as a reason they personally stay on the road and off the path). > > Does anyone have any suggestions for positive solutions? > > Liz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Horoscope: A fifth of Scotch will not prove to be an acceptable solution to > your > problems. Try another fifth of Scotch. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 8:43:46 AM > Subject: [Bikies] Seminole Highway anger? > > Has anyone noticed an uptick in incidents with angry motorists on Seminole > Highway since the Badger Trail was completed? While riding in the road > there > myself and my wife have now had a number of incidents with cars slowing > down (no > opposing traffic) specifically to lay on their horn or scream at us. I also > have > a message in my inbox this morning about an altercation with a driver over > the > weekend in which a small group of riders were yelled at and then one was > struck > by the driver of a BMW. > > I love the new Badger Trail (rode it to a wedding in Freeport, IL last > fall), > but the location along the edge of Seminole is problematic. I will often > stay in > the road rather than taking the path when heading south for a few reasons: > > * If there is much traffic, I don't want to wait to cross Seminole > * I am often heading west at the end of Seminole, away from the path > * The path is often full of slower moving walkers, skaters and > families on > bikes, and it drives me crazy when I am on a path commuting and some > lycra-clad > roadie goes blasting by (not that I am fast enough to be considered > blasting), > so I try to avoid doing that to othersThe new path is great - I see tons of > people out that way that I never saw out there before the path, but the > sidepath > nature of it gives motorists the impression that ALL bikers belong there. > > Anyone else having problems on Seminole north of Whalen? > > Kevin > > -- > Kevin Luecke > Lead Planner, Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin > www.bfw.org | 608-251-4456 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20110523/4ff6bc7d/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 09:42:24 -0500 > From: KMSH <[email protected]> > To: Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] New Bike Boxes > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I tried out one of the new bike boxes this morning. I'm a fan of the green > and am glad they switched. But unfortunately they did not switch their > informational street sign. The one created by Madison is ineffective, hard > to read, and ugly. It's a graphic better suited for a reading brochure > instead of a street sign. I wish the city would adopt a better one that > easily tells drivers & bikers what's up. > > Madison's bike box sign: > http://20-by-2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Bike-Box-Sign-photo.jpg(the > red is now changed to green) > A better idea: > > http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/09/29/1285783057-bike_box.jpg > > -Kristy > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Curious why we now switched to green, instead of red, especially in > > > the campus area where red would have been appropriate, the color at > > least. > > > > Hi Aaron. > > > > Green was the widely accepted color for bike boxes before Madison decided > > to experiment with red. Recently the Federal Highway Administration began > > allowing the use of green in bike lanes and boxes without having to apply > > for "experimental" status and requested that Madison change their boxes > to > > green. It looks like green will be the official on-street color > nationally > > for bicycle facilities (which makes some sense given the long-term use of > > green for bike route signs). > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > *Kevin Luecke** > > *Lead Planner, Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin > > www.bfw.org | 608-251-4456 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20110523/039445de/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Darryl Jordan <[email protected]> > To: KMSH <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] New Bike Boxes > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I agree. The Madison sign is too complex for quick reading from a vehicle. > The sign is trying to do too many things at once; such as be a info-graphic, > civic promotion, written instruction, and be pretty. None of which are > suitable for instant instruction without latitude for misinterpretation. > Madison's sign should be simple dimple black on yellow (or white). Drivers > are deluged with visual and audio stimulation and distractions. A traffic > sign that looks like an advertisement is going to be disregarded. > My two cents,DJ > > --- On Mon, 5/23/11, KMSH <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: KMSH <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] New Bike Boxes > To: "Kevin Luecke" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:42 AM > > I tried out one of the new bike boxes this morning.? I'm a fan of the green > and am glad they switched.? But unfortunately they did not switch their > informational street sign.? The one created by Madison is ineffective, hard > to read, and ugly.? It's a graphic better suited for a reading brochure > instead of a street sign.? I wish the city would adopt a better one that > easily tells drivers & bikers?what's up. > > ? > Madison's bike box sign: > http://20-by-2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Bike-Box-Sign-photo.jpg?(thered > is now changed to green) > > A better idea: > http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/09/29/1285783057-bike_box.jpg > ? > -Kristy > > > ? > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Curious why we now switched to green, instead of red, especially in > > the campus area where red would have been appropriate, the color at > least. > > > Hi Aaron. > > Green was the widely accepted color for bike boxes before Madison decided > to experiment with red. Recently the Federal Highway Administration began > allowing the use of green in bike lanes and boxes without having to apply > for "experimental" status and requested that Madison change their boxes to > green. It looks like green will be the official on-street color nationally > for bicycle facilities (which makes some sense given the long-term use of > green for bike route signs). > > > Kevin > > -- > Kevin Luecke > Lead Planner, Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin > www.bfw.org? | 608-251-4456 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20110523/b69782a3/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > End of Bikies Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > ************************************** > -- Jim <http://webpages.charter.net/jhenkel/>
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