I've read it. I'm just not drinking the Kool Aid. --- Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Mark Shahan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mark Shahan <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Second thoughts on SW Path Lighting > To: "Robert F. Nagel" <[email protected]> > > > Robert, > > You apparently have not read the material the City has put out on this > project or some recent posts to this list. Bollards would require about > ten times as many lights, would cost over $1 million, and use more energy. > Bollards also don't provide the same type of vertical illumination that > overhead lights provide. Furthermore, bollards are prone to vandalism and > damage by snow plows resulting in much higher maintenance costs. It is > amazing to me that people who have been objecting to lighting the SW path > on the grounds of costs and energy use keep pushing bollards because > bollards would be even worse by these criteria. Brittingham Park has > bollards and the City's experience with the bollards there is partly why > the City is against using them on the SW path. More information on > bollards and the lighting project can be found here: > http://www.cityofmadison.com/bikeMadison/documents/swpathlighting071912presentation.pdf. > Finally, this project will be on the agenda of the Pedestrian/Bicycle/Motor > Vehicle Commission on *Monday, December 10th at 5:00 p.m.*, 210 Martin > Luther King, Jr. Blvd., City-County Building Room 201 (Council Chambers). > > Mark > > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I know I've thrown this out there before as have others, but I don't >> recall if you weighed-in or not. What about bollards? >> --- >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> [email protected] >> www.nagel-law.com >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> Madison, WI 53703 >> 608-255-1501 office >> 608-255-1504 fax >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Ross, Arthur <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> It's difficult to get a feel for what the path will look and feel like >>> from a single, or two, lights. To get a better idea of what the lighting >>> will be like ride or walk the Cannonball path whee the same fixture has >>> been installed. The easiest access to the Cannonball Path is at Post Road >>> between Todd Drive and Leopold Elementary School. >>> >>> Please provide constructive critique. Using a term like "awful" does >>> not tell us anything. What do like or dislike about the lighting? What >>> would you prefer? Remember the path is not just for bicyclists who are >>> required to use lights at night to be seen by others, but also by >>> pedestrians, runners, and other non-motorized users. >>> >>> Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator >>> City of Madison, Traffic Engineering Division >>> 215 Martin Luther King, Jr., Blvd., Suite 100 >>> PO Box 2986 >>> Madison, WI 53701-2986 >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of David Long [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:28 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Bikies] Second thoughts on SW Path Lighting >>> >>> This issue is not simply bike advocates VS NIMBY homeowners, nor is it >>> Lights VS No-Lights folks. The folks who have actually seen the proposed >>> lighting at Council Bluff will likely understand my meaning. Whatever you >>> feel about whether bike paths should be lit by riders or by an external >>> source, I think most bikers who experiences the test light adjacent Council >>> Bluff will agree that it is awful. >>> >>> As a long time BFW member and commuter on the SW Path since '03, I >>> really hope bike advocacy groups don't rally members to blindly support >>> this poorly conceived lighting plan. Until a vastly better design is >>> proposed, I much prefer to keep on using my LED bike light for my evening >>> commute. The handful of neighborhood bikers I've talked to agree. >>> >>> If you haven't already, please take some time to check out the test >>> lights and pass along your suggestions to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> before the Dec 11 hearing >>> >>> Dave Long >>> >>> ...and no, I'm not an adjacent homeowner >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > > > > -- > Mark N. Shahan ------ __o > 607 Piper Drive ------- _`\<,_ > Madison, WI 53711-1338 ---- (*)/ (*) > (608) 274-9367 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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