Here's a page of bollards http://www.accessfixtures.com/Bollard-Lights-s/4.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=4&show=120&page=1
and some more http://www.uniquelighting.com/product_pages/Bollards.htm I don't think the city was serious about this alternative. The city's report seem more anecdotal than data-driven, especially as it regards ruling out bollards. No, I don't have my own data. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that I would. --- Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Mark Shahan <[email protected]> wrote: > What part of the "Kool-Aid" aren't you drinking? The cost? The number of > lights required? The Vandalism? The energy use? The potential interference > with path users? Do you have facts that dispute the city's data on these > issues? > > Mark > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I've read it. I'm just not drinking the Kool Aid. >> >> --- >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> [email protected] >> www.nagel-law.com >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> Madison, WI 53703 >> 608-255-1501 office >> 608-255-1504 fax >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Mark Shahan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Mark Shahan <[email protected]> >>> Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Second thoughts on SW Path Lighting >>> To: "Robert F. Nagel" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Robert, >>> >>> You apparently have not read the material the City has put out on this >>> project or some recent posts to this list. Bollards would require about >>> ten times as many lights, would cost over $1 million, and use more energy. >>> Bollards also don't provide the same type of vertical illumination that >>> overhead lights provide. Furthermore, bollards are prone to vandalism and >>> damage by snow plows resulting in much higher maintenance costs. It is >>> amazing to me that people who have been objecting to lighting the SW path >>> on the grounds of costs and energy use keep pushing bollards because >>> bollards would be even worse by these criteria. Brittingham Park has >>> bollards and the City's experience with the bollards there is partly why >>> the City is against using them on the SW path. More information on >>> bollards and the lighting project can be found here: >>> http://www.cityofmadison.com/bikeMadison/documents/swpathlighting071912presentation.pdf. >>> Finally, this project will be on the agenda of the Pedestrian/Bicycle/Motor >>> Vehicle Commission on *Monday, December 10th at 5:00 p.m.*, 210 Martin >>> Luther King, Jr. Blvd., City-County Building Room 201 (Council Chambers). >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Robert F. Nagel >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I know I've thrown this out there before as have others, but I don't >>>> recall if you weighed-in or not. What about bollards? >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >>>> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >>>> [email protected] >>>> www.nagel-law.com >>>> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >>>> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >>>> Madison, WI 53703 >>>> 608-255-1501 office >>>> 608-255-1504 fax >>>> 608-438-9501 cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Ross, Arthur >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's difficult to get a feel for what the path will look and feel like >>>>> from a single, or two, lights. To get a better idea of what the lighting >>>>> will be like ride or walk the Cannonball path whee the same fixture has >>>>> been installed. The easiest access to the Cannonball Path is at Post Road >>>>> between Todd Drive and Leopold Elementary School. >>>>> >>>>> Please provide constructive critique. Using a term like "awful" does >>>>> not tell us anything. What do like or dislike about the lighting? What >>>>> would you prefer? Remember the path is not just for bicyclists who are >>>>> required to use lights at night to be seen by others, but also by >>>>> pedestrians, runners, and other non-motorized users. >>>>> >>>>> Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator >>>>> City of Madison, Traffic Engineering Division >>>>> 215 Martin Luther King, Jr., Blvd., Suite 100 >>>>> PO Box 2986 >>>>> Madison, WI 53701-2986 >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: [email protected] [ >>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of David Long [ >>>>> [email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:28 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: [Bikies] Second thoughts on SW Path Lighting >>>>> >>>>> This issue is not simply bike advocates VS NIMBY homeowners, nor is it >>>>> Lights VS No-Lights folks. The folks who have actually seen the proposed >>>>> lighting at Council Bluff will likely understand my meaning. Whatever >>>>> you >>>>> feel about whether bike paths should be lit by riders or by an external >>>>> source, I think most bikers who experiences the test light adjacent >>>>> Council >>>>> Bluff will agree that it is awful. >>>>> >>>>> As a long time BFW member and commuter on the SW Path since '03, I >>>>> really hope bike advocacy groups don't rally members to blindly support >>>>> this poorly conceived lighting plan. Until a vastly better design is >>>>> proposed, I much prefer to keep on using my LED bike light for my evening >>>>> commute. The handful of neighborhood bikers I've talked to agree. >>>>> >>>>> If you haven't already, please take some time to check out the test >>>>> lights and pass along your suggestions to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> before the Dec 11 hearing >>>>> >>>>> Dave Long >>>>> >>>>> ...and no, I'm not an adjacent homeowner >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Bikies mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bikies mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark N. Shahan ------ __o >>> 607 Piper Drive ------- _`\<,_ >>> Madison, WI 53711-1338 ---- (*)/ (*) >>> (608) 274-9367 >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mark N. Shahan ------ __o > 607 Piper Drive ------- _`\<,_ > Madison, WI 53711-1338 ---- (*)/ (*) > (608) 274-9367 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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