Under the agreements Wisconsin entered into to build its Interstate highway system with federal financial assistance, tolls were excluded. The reason you see tolls charged in states like Illinois is that those roads existed prior to the I-system and were thus grandfathered. Would take an act of Congress to change the situation.

On 3/5/2015 1:42 PM, Grant Foster wrote:
A wheel tax is easy to implement and could bring in revenue to a municipality or county quickly, but it seems to miss the mark a little by taxing car ownership rather than roadway utilization (we own one car that sits in the driveway 95% of the time and most of the miles it does see are out of state). It would also be a bigger hardship to households with lower income. What about a tollway system? I haven't heard talk of that for a while. Is it a bad idea? Politically unfeasible? Seems like a way to help raise some revenue from "freeloaders" from outside our state. And if anyone seriously proposes a bicycle wheel tax, I'm going to push for a shoe tax to accompany it. I'm tired of all those freeloading pedestrians not paying for their sidewalks...

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Larry D Nelson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    If there was a state registration and registration fees (and wheel
    tax) for bikes, our work would be much easier.  We would have a
    common relationship with the motorists, who may currently regard
    bicyclists as freeloaders.

    Right now, all we can agree on is that we as individuals should
    not have to pay for anything.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Mar 5, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jeffrey Schimpff <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    I would much rather pay a higher registration fee for a bike that
    I use every day of the year, rather than for a car that sits in
    the garage most of the time.  A wheel tax is regressive for those
    of us who do our best to conserve energy and use public roadways
    very little (aside from local streets, for which we pay in large
    part with property taxes).
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    *From: *"William Hauda" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *To: *"Eric Sundquist" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>, "Larry Nelson"
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, "Matthew
    Logan" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *Cc: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent: *Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:12:25 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [Bikies] Iowa Raises Gas Tax

        The problem with a wheel tax is the same problem we face with
    the state transportation fund. It's a perception issue. There's
    no guarantee any of the $ from a wheel tax will go for bicycling.
    Given the negative view of the public and their elected officials
    of cycling as being a part of an integrated transportation
    system, it's just another tax to fund roads for cars. While
    better roads for cars may also accommodate us(*if complete
    streets is not repealed, which is a current issue in the
    legislature, and Bike Fed is working on trying to resolve that
    problem*) a wheel tax might finance new  and re-pave existing
    streets and roads, but it is not going to specifically help
    bicycle transportation. That's where we need to go. We need to
    statutorily integrate bicycling into transportation funding
    because it is a part of transportation.

    On 3/3/2015 5:49 PM, Eric Sundquist wrote:

        I have heard discussion among County Board members about
        establishing a wheel tax and would favor it, based on that
        discussion and Larry's info. A $20 tax in Dane County would
        bring in between $4 million and $5 million -- not nearly what
        the RTA was looking at and small potatoes compared to big
        projects like Verona Road or Highway M, but definitely a part
        of the puzzle in growing the multimodal system in the county.

        ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        *From:* Larry Nelson <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *To:* Matthew Logan <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent:* Tuesday, March 3, 2015 5:31 PM
        *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Iowa Raises Gas Tax

        Planning includes financing needed public transportation
        improvements. The following municipalities have adopted the
        wheel tax.

        Municipalities
        Appleton (city) - $20 beginning February 2015
        Arena (township) - $20 beginning April 2015
        Beloit (city) - $10 through January 2015; $20 beginning
        February 2015
        Janesville (city) - $10
        Milwaukee (city) - $20
        Counties
        Chippewa County - $10 beginning January 2015
        Iowa County - $20 beginning February 2015
        St. Croix County - $10

        I don't think that they did that because they wanted to but
        that they had to.  I rather doubt that Iowa County and the
        Town of Arena in Iowa County adopted a wheel tax because they
        wanted to: rather, I suspect that they had to in order to
        fund their transportation responsibilities.

        The WIDOT collects the wheel tax for a small charge.

        And, I intend to lobby my township, the Town of Dodgeville,
        to do the same in order to maintain town roads.

        I argue that biking is a transportation mode. Upon
        reflection, I don't argue that: I assert that biking is a
        part of the transportation system as a proven fact.

        The wheel tax has to be spent on transportation.  This is a
        tool already provided by the State.  I suggest that you
        consider this when you next discuss transportation issues
        with your elected officials. Think and act locally.

        Larry D Nelson








        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Matthew Logan" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        To: "Larry D Nelson" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>, "William Hauda"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>,
        [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:21:32 AM
        Subject: RE: [Bikies] Iowa Raises Gas Tax

        The core problem since November 2010 is not a lack of funding
        or planning
        for transportation - The Governor and Legislature have had no
        problem making
        money show up for highway expansions (that primarily benefit
        people in the
        suburbs of Milwaukee), even when facing large deficits that
        are otherwise
        used to justify large cuts elsewhere in the budget. The
        problem is that the
        people making the decisions do not believe it is the role of
        the state to
        provide funding for bicycling, while at the same time,
        clinging to
        1970's-era thinking about the value of highways.

        The Governor has stated that until all the roads are fixed,
        bicycle
        facilities will have to wait.  Of course, by "fixed" he
        means, enough money
        lavished on them to send a signal to businesses (the few that
        directly
        benefit from highway spending) that they should consider
        relocating to
        Wisconsin.  The Governor has also effectively said that the
        people of
        Wisconsin have chosen to drive, so that is where all the
        money should go -
        to infrastructure that directly benefits the payers of gas
        tax (which means
        motorists).    The Governor and GOP have been promoting the
        meme that the
        transportation fund has been raided, and needs to be repaid.
        This, despite
        the fact that the LFB reported a net $314 million transfer
        from the General
        Fund to Transportation since the "raids" began in 2003.

        These beliefs displayed by the Governor and legislature are
        at odds with the
        reality of AADT trend lines looking more flat - a fact now
        acknowledged by
        AASHTO.

        The problem is not that we need a plan for a revenue stream -
        it is that our
        elected officials have no rational basis upon which we can
        argue the merits
        of increasing funding for bicycling infrastructure.  They
        live in a world
        where economically productive highways have been cheated out
        of their due by
        special interest groups like teachers and bicyclists.  They
        live in a world
where fairness dictates repayment for this perceived wrong. Until that
        belief system changes, planning will have no effect.


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Larry D
        Nelson
        Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:02 AM
        To: 'William Hauda'; [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: Re: [Bikies] Iowa Raises Gas Tax

        In my observations and study regarding the construction of
        public works from
        Rome to the present time (I apologize if that sounds pompous:
        it is my
        hobby), there are periods of time when funding and resources
        are just not
        made available to construct needed improvements.  But, wise
        people plan for
        the future.  For example, the interstate highway system
        planning took place
        decades before there was a President Eisenhower to implement
        the plan.
        Planning is relatively inexpensive.

        Bill, please plan and propose.

        For my part, I'd like to consider moving the responsibility
        for state bike
        routes from the WDNR to the WIDOT, and recognize that their
        construction and
        maintenance are transportation corridors/modes.

        Ok, I am off my soap box  :>)


        Larry D. Nelson, P.E.

        PO Box 199
        4180 Wilson Road
        Dodgeville, WI  53533

        608 630 6532 <tel:608%20630%206532> (C)



        -----Original Message-----
        From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of William
        Hauda
        Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:01 PM
        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: Re: [Bikies] Iowa Raises Gas Tax

            Mike, Iowa also has in place a constitutional amendment
        that earmarks a
        portion of any future sales tax increase for things like
        trails. Problem is,
        there is no enthusiasm to increase the sales tax.
        I'm currently researching some policy that I think has
        hampered bicycling in
        Wisconsin and think I will have a recommendation for either
        the next meeting
        of the Non-motorized Recreation and Transportation Trails
        Council or the
        Bike Fed, where the Advocacy Committee we served together on
        developing
        things like Complete Streets is, I'm told by the powers that
        be, about to be
        reconstituted. Where I am going might not only be politically
        palatable to a
        conservative administration, for reasons other than
        bicycling, but set us up
        with a guaranteed source of funding. Where I am headed will
        involve a major
        paradigm shift. Got my fingers crossed.
            Bill

        On 2/25/2015 6:03 PM, Michael Rewey wrote:
        > With bi-partisan and governor's support Iowa just raised
        their gas tax
        > a whopping 10 cents per gallon.
        >
        > Too bad that could not happen here so we can get balanced
        > transportation instead of just building for cars and trucks
        with bond
        > dollars.  But of course a governor who is running for
        national office
        doesn't dare raise any taxes.
        >
        > We'll have to pay more for trail passes and state park
        passes to name
        > a few, but those are "user fees".  In reality gas tax is a
        user fee also.
        You only pay if you use it. Frustrating....
        >
        > Mike Rewey
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