Having to use the beltline, increasing lanes or even mass transit is only going to partly solve what to do with excessive traffic during Madison's half hour. A key component of the traffic tie up is the need to use the road way at the same time. I propose incentives of staggered road way use. This may be hard to establish as everybody wants to be there yesterday. So, while we're on the topic of social transportation change, might as well adopt new ways of getting to work in a "timely" manner.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2016, at 4:17 PM, via Bikies <[email protected]> wrote: > > Send Bikies mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Bikies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane County in > 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com (William Hauda via Bikies) > 2. Re: Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane County in > 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com (Grant Foster via Bikies) > 3. Re: Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane County in > 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com (Matthew Logan via Bikies) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:52:58 -0600 > From: William Hauda via Bikies <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane > County in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT for > this area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds. How do > we solve the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a congested > corridor like the Beltline? > >> On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote: >> Building a new highway is not a solution... >> >> Mike Rewey >> >> >> On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote: >> >> /To:/ [email protected] >> /Date sent:/ Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600 >> /Subject:/ Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in >> Wisconsin coming to Dane County >> in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com >> /From:/ William Hauda via Bikies >> <[email protected]> >> /Send reply to:/ William Hauda <[email protected]> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> >> >> >> I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by >> providing a more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between >> Madison, McFarland and Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between these >> communities can only be done under very challenging conditions, >> especially at the US 51/Beltline intersection. The eventual long-term >> solution to Beltline traffic congestion, however, will be construction >> of a connector between US 18/151 at Verona to I-39/90, which would >> eliminate the need for vehicular traffic heading east-west to go >> through Madison. There are all sorts of property owner, economic and >> environmental issues, but this will eventually happen to avoid making >> Madison a transportation choke point. >> >> On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote: >> I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto >> commuter traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on adding more >> lanes to the beltine regardless. The should use this money to >> establish a bus system between Madison and the outlying communities >> instead. But of course that won't help keep the pockets of road and >> bridge builders full. >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies >> <[email protected]_ <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> _http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wisconsin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1ed71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline_ >> >> graphic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected]_ <mailto:[email protected]> >> _http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org_ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected]_ <mailto:[email protected]> >> _http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org_ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20160130/a349cc3f/attachment-0001.htm> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/bmp > Size: 358 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20160130/a349cc3f/attachment-0001.bin> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:59:31 +0000 > From: Grant Foster via Bikies <[email protected]> > To: William Hauda <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane > County in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com > Message-ID: > <CAApdrb+mhTj_wx9eyok7Nofd14hA+b1ig_Wf4Xg=Atw0Lxx=h...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It seems pretty c!ear that the answer is alternatives to cars, not more > roads. Buses and bikes are good alternatives in the near term. > > You don't fight obesity by buying bigger pants. > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 15:53 William Hauda via Bikies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT for >> this area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds. How do we >> solve the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a congested corridor >> like the Beltline? >> >> >> On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote: >> >> Building a new highway is not a solution... >> >> Mike Rewey >> >> >> On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote: >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Date sent:* Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600 >> *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in >> Wisconsin coming to Dane County >> in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com >> *From:* William Hauda via Bikies >> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *Send reply to:* William Hauda <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> <[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> >> <[email protected]?subject=subscribe> >> >> >> I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by providing a >> more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between Madison, McFarland and >> Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between these communities can only be done >> under very challenging conditions, especially at the US 51/Beltline >> intersection. The eventual long-term solution to Beltline traffic >> congestion, however, will be construction of a connector between US 18/151 >> at Verona to I-39/90, which would eliminate the need for vehicular traffic >> heading east-west to go through Madison. There are all sorts of property >> owner, economic and environmental issues, but this will eventually happen >> to avoid making Madison a transportation choke point. >> >> On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote: >> I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto commuter >> traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on adding more lanes to the >> beltine regardless. The should use this money to establish a bus system >> between Madison and the outlying communities instead. But of course that >> won't help keep the pockets of road and bridge builders full. >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies < >> *[email protected]* <[email protected]>> wrote: >> *http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wisconsin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1ed71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline >> <http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wisconsin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1ed71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline>* >> <http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wisconsin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1ed71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline> >> [image: >> graphic] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> *[email protected]* <[email protected]> >> *http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org* >> <http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> *[email protected]* <[email protected]> >> *http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org* >> <http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing >> [email protected]http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20160130/42695e6c/attachment-0001.htm> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/bmp > Size: 358 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20160130/42695e6c/attachment-0002.bin> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/bmp > Size: 358 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20160130/42695e6c/attachment-0003.bin> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:17:38 -0700 > From: Matthew Logan via Bikies <[email protected]> > To: "Bikies" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane > County in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You are stuck in the way of thinking that says traffic levels are a fixed > value, and that we must build highways to accommodate that fixed value. But > traffic is more like a gas - it will expand to fill whatever container we > provide for it. > > This means if you take roads away, there will be less driving. If you add > more roads, there will be more driving. The trick, is to build the roads > (and bike paths, and ped facilities) in locations that promote > accessibility. > > > > From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William > Hauda via Bikies > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 2:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to Dane County > in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com > > > > So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT for this > area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds. How do we solve > the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a congested corridor like > the Beltline? > > On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote: > > Building a new highway is not a solution... > > > > Mike Rewey > > > > > > On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote: > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin > coming to Dane County > > in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com > > From: William Hauda via Bikies > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Send reply to: William Hauda <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> > > > > > > I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by providing a > more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between Madison, McFarland and > Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between these communities can only be done > under very challenging conditions, especially at the US 51/Beltline > intersection. The eventual long-term solution to Beltline traffic > congestion, however, will be construction of a connector between US 18/151 > at Verona to I-39/90, which would eliminate the need for vehicular traffic > heading east-west to go through Madison. There are all sorts of property > owner, economic and environmental issues, but this will eventually happen to > avoid making Madison a transportation choke point. > > On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote: > > I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto commuter > traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on adding more lanes to the > beltine regardless. The should use this money to establish a bus system > between Madison and the outlying communities instead. But of course that > won't help keep the pockets of road and bridge builders full. > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. 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