Michael Stocker wrote: "We could infer that they do use these sounds for something which involves their being able to hear them ...."
To which Martin Braun replied: "This may not always be true. Imagine the following scenario: A bird is deaf above 6 kHz. If this bird has sound components around 10-12 kHz in its calls, it cannot hear these components and it is thus unable to influence its voice organs to reduce or even eliminate them." Martin, imagine this scenario: A bird can't hear above 6 kHz but it produces sounds above that frequency in its calls. There should probably be other costs the bird "wants" to cut out other than hearing the sounds. Costs of producing them (energy, motor coordination at syrinx, etc.) so probably they are "taken away" in evolution. But even if they are produced as a "side-effect" by some individuals (are, in a certain way, "neutral" to them in terms of costs), why if a predator locates those individuals using the above 6 kHz frequencies? So, I agree that we have to have factual proofs of the audition range of a species, because speculation could be right or wrong in any of the "two" senses we are discussing about. But, my guess is that in most cases individuals of any species can hear AT LEAST the frequency range of their own emissions. Cheers Gabriel Dr. Gabriel Francescoli Sección Etología - Facultad de Ciencias Iguá 4225, Montevideo 11400 Uruguay http://eto.fcien.edu.uy/gabo.htm (español) http://eto.fcien.edu.uy/gaboeng.htm (english)
