> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:44, Billy Tetrud <billy.tet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  there is an unsupportable leap being made here
> 
> You think that because you're misinterpreting me. I'm in no way claiming that 
> any solvent company can prove it, I'm simply claiming that any company can 
> prove that they have bitcoin reserves to cover bitcoins promised as account 
> balances. 

You can prove that in your own wallet. All other scenarios imply lending (which 
is what is implied by “reserve”) and lending cannot be 100% reserve.

> > Banks (lending institutions) do not operate under any such pretense
> 
> You seem to be saying that banks are under no legal obligation to serve cash 
> on demand to customers. While you might be right,

I am, as banks are lending institutions.

> again you're misinterpreting me. Banks do in fact make claims to their 
> customers that they'll be able to get cash out of their account on demand.

Up to the insured limit, in 7 days. This is of course true because the taxpayer 
has insured the bank to that level.

> They're called demand deposit accounts for a reason.

They are time deposits, read your bank agreement. Not that it makes any 
difference. How the contract is satisfied is not a term of the contract, just 
that it is. And as I pointed out, money markets have had no reserve requirement 
and have a nearly spotless record of satisfying their obligations.

> And certainly customers expect to be able to withdraw their cash on demand. 

Irrelevant.

> > With a 100% of investment cash hoard, there is zero lending and zero return
> 
> I did say "pretend" did I not?

See above.

> > “relate to” is a far cry from 100% “reserve”
> 
> Indeed. Again, you seem to be misunderstanding me. You're putting the words 
> "100% reserve" in my mouth, when I never said any such thing. Proof of 
> 80%/50%/20% reserves is still useful if that's the clear expectation for the 
> customer/client.

Without 100% “reserve” there is no way to cryptographically demonstrate 
“solvency”. And even with that, investors would have to accept the promise that 
there are no other liabilities.

The schemes don’t preclude hacks, insider or otherwise, bankruptcy, or state 
seizure, no matter what the reserve.

It’s information, sure, but it’s not what people seem to think. If one wants 
full reserve banking, use a wallet. If one wants to invest, the money will be 
spent - that’s why it was raised. There can be no covenant placed on it that 
will ensure it’s return.

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