Good morning Ethan, > > Yes, quite neat indeed, too bad Lamport signatures are so huge (a couple > > kilobytes)... blocksize increase cough > > Couldn't you significantly compress the signatures by using either > Winternitz OTS or by using OP_CAT to build a merkle tree so that the > full signature can be derived during script execution from a much > shorter set of seed values?
To implement Winternitz we need some kind of limited-repeat construct, which is not available in SCRIPT, but may be emulatable with enough `OP_IF` and sheer brute force. But what you gain in smaller signatures, you lose in a more complex and longer SCRIPT, and there are limits to SCRIPT size (in order to limit the processing done in each node). Merkle signatures trade off shorter pubkeys for longer signatures (signatures need to provide the hash of the *other* preimage you are not revealing), but in the modern post-SegWit Bitcoin context both pubkeys and signatures are stored in the witness area, which have the same weight, thus it is actually a loss compared to Lamport. So yes, maybe Winternitz (could be a replacement for the "trinary" Jeremy refers to), Merkle not so much. Regards, ZmnSCPxj > On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:12 AM ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: > > > Good morning Jeremy, > > Yes, quite neat indeed, too bad Lamport signatures are so huge (a couple > > kilobytes)... blocksize increase cough > > Since a quantum computer can derive the EC privkey from the EC pubkey and > > this scheme is resistant to that, I think you can use a single well-known > > EC privkey, you just need a unique Lamport keypair for each UTXO > > (uniqueness being mandatory due to Lamport requiring preimage revelation). > > Regards, > > ZmnSCPxj > > > > > Dear Bitcoin Devs, > > > As mentioned previously, OP_CAT (or similar operation) can be used to > > > make Bitcoin "quantum safe" by signing an EC signature. This should work > > > in both Segwit V0 and Tapscript, although you have to use HASH160 for it > > > to fit in Segwit V0. > > > See my blog for the specific construction, reproduced below. > > > Yet another entry to the "OP_CAT can do that too" list. > > > Best, > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > I recently published a blogpost about signing up to a5 byte value using > > > Bitcoin script arithmetic and Lamport signatures. > > > By itself, this is neat, but a little limited. What if we could sign > > > longer > > > messages? If we can sign up to 20 bytes, we could sign a HASH160 digest > > > which > > > is most likely quantum safe... > > > What would it mean if we signed the HASH160 digest of a signature? What > > > the > > > what? Why would we do that? > > > Well, as it turns out, even if a quantum computer were able to crack > > > ECDSA, it > > > would yield revealing the private key but not the ability to malleate the > > > content of what was actually signed. I asked my good friend and > > > cryptographer > > > Madars Virza if my intuition was correct, and he > > > confirmed that it should be sufficient, but it's definitely worth closer > > > analysis before relying on this. While the ECDSA signature can be > > > malleated to a > > > different, negative form, if the signature is otherwise made immalleable > > > there > > > should only be one value the commitment can be opened to. > > > If we required the ECDSA signature be signed with a quantum proof > > > signature > > > algorithm, then we'd have a quantum proof Bitcoin! And the 5 byte signing > > > scheme > > > we discussed previously is a Lamport signature, which is quantum secure. > > > Unfortunately, we need at least 20 contiguous bytes... so we need some > > > sort of > > > OP\_CAT like operation. > > > OP\_CAT can't be directly soft forked to Segwit v0 because it modifies the > > > stack, so instead we'll (for simplicity) also show how to use a new > > > opcode that > > > uses verify semantics, OP\_SUBSTRINGEQUALVERIFY that checks a splice of a > > > string > > > for equality. > > > > > > ... FOR j in 0..=5 > > > <0> > > > ... FOR i in 0..=31 > > > SWAP hash160 DUP <H(K_j_i_1)> EQUAL IF DROP <2**i> ADD ELSE > > > <H(K_j_i_0)> EQUALVERIFY ENDIF > > > ... END FOR > > > TOALTSTACK > > > ... END FOR > > > > > > DUP HASH160 > > > > > > ... IF CAT AVAILABLE > > > FROMALTSTACK > > > ... FOR j in 0..=5 > > > FROMALTSTACK > > > CAT > > > ... END FOR > > > EQUALVERIFY > > > ... ELSE SUBSTRINGEQUALVERIFY AVAILABLE > > > ... FOR j in 0..=5 > > > FROMALTSTACK <0+j*4> <4+j*4> SUBSTRINGEQUALVERIFY DROP DROP > > > DROP > > > ... END FOR > > > DROP > > > ... END IF > > > > > > <pk> CHECKSIG > > > > > > > > > That's a long script... but will it fit? We need to verify 20 bytes of > > > message > > > each bit takes around 10 bytes script, an average of 3.375 bytes per > > > number > > > (counting pushes), and two 21 bytes keys = 55.375 bytes of program space > > > and 21 > > > bytes of witness element per bit. > > > It fits! `20*8*55.375 = 8860`, which leaves 1140 bytes less than the > > > limit for > > > the rest of the logic, which is plenty (around 15-40 bytes required for > > > the rest > > > of the logic, leaving 1100 free for custom signature checking). The stack > > > size > > > is 160 elements for the hash gadget, 3360 bytes. > > > This can probably be made a bit more efficient by expanding to a ternary > > > representation. > > > > > > SWAP hash160 DUP <H(K_j_i_0)> EQUAL IF DROP ELSE <3**i> > > > SWAP DUP <H(K_j_i_T)> EQUAL IF DROP SUB ELSE <H(K_j_i_1)> EQUALVERIFY ADD > > > ENDIF ENDIF > > > > > > > > > This should bring it up to roughly 85 bytes per trit, and there should be > > > 101 > > > trits (`log(2**160)/log(3) == 100.94`), so about 8560 bytes... a bit > > > cheaper! > > > But the witness stack is "only" `2121` bytes... > > > As a homework exercise, maybe someone can prove the optimal choice of > > > radix for > > > this protocol... My guess is that base 4 is optimal! > > > > > > Taproot? > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > What about Taproot? As far as I'm aware the commitment scheme (`Q = pG + > > > hash(pG || m)G`) can be securely opened to m even with a quantum computer > > > (finding `q` > > > such that `qG = Q` might be trivial, but suppose key path was disabled, > > > then > > > finding m and p such that the taproot equation holds should be difficult > > > because > > > of the hash, but I'd need to certify that claim better). Therefore this > > > script can nest inside of a Tapscript path -- Tapscript also does not > > > impose a > > > length limit, 32 byte hashes could be used as well. > > > Further, to make keys reusable, there could be many Lamport keys comitted > > > inside > > > a taproot tree so that an address could be used for thousands of times > > > before > > > expiring. This could be used as a measure to protect accidental use > > > rather than > > > to support it. > > > Lastly, Schnorr actually has a stronger non-malleability property than > > > ECDSA, > > > the signatures will be binding to the approved transaction and once > > > Lamport > > > signed, even a quantum computer could not steal the funds. > > > -- > > > @JeremyRubin > > > > bitcoin-dev mailing list > > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
