I've thought about it but never got it organized. There are numerous administrative issues, such as: who is the legal entity that will contract with the colo provider? what do you as a co-op do when a member can't pay? Who will spend the several hours every month forever consolidating the funds from members to the colo? Who pays the excess during months when some sections are vacant (e.g., what happens if one member pulls out 10U and it takes you a few months to replace them?)
Ian, Your concern are valid and we can address all this administrative issue once we have confirmed numbers for members who are intrested in this idea and their commitment for number of servers. Couple of idea to tackle this issues are... - We can register a coop association as a TAUG or in diffrent name. - Somebody can take over responsibity for management task for which he will get reimburse. - We can ask member to pay upfront for 6 month.Which will insure that we have valid and stable members. - It almost impossible for small biz individually to have colo for let say 3/5/10 servers with 100mbps unmertered in less then $1000/month. -So let say we have 48U Rack and cost is $2500, we will fix rate at $100 per server which brings $4800 for rack and access money after paying colo cost can be used as administrative cost. This way many members who have small number of server can participate. Tim, Could you please share some more details about your colo providers. Its seems that They have right cabinet for us to share. We can eliminate many issue concerned by marc. Thanks again to all for quick response, suggestion and concern. All, please share colo providers info and rates so we can find something better. Saurin On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Tim St. Pierre <[email protected]>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The company we co-locate with had some racks made up that are 5U 10U 20U > and 4U (full rack) > cabinets. If you have a 5U cabinet, the rack is divided up into 8 smaller > cabinets, each with it's > own locking door, individual network drop and AC circuit. It provides all > the physical security one > needs, and allows the carrier to rent out small chunks of space to small > customers. I like it > because I have 24 hour unescorted access to my machines, and I know that > nobody else can touch them. > I also don't have to worry about someone tripping the circuit breaker, or > congesting my network > segment, as I get a 100Mb connection all to myself. The prices I'm paying > are comparable to what > the fractions of a larger cabinet would cost. > > If you are thinking of adding cabinets Bill, this might be something to > think about. If someone is > using your network for SIP trunking and IP connectivity, you can do an > awful lot with 5 or even 10 > rack units. > > - -Tim > > Bill Sandiford wrote: > > Hello All: > > > > Thanks for the kind words Henry. > > > > Telnet would be happy to assist TAUG members that want to take advantage > of this sort of an arrangement. We would need to go over some of the > details with the group, but I'm pretty sure we can find a way to get it done > and could even help with some of the management type issues. > > > > We like to think that our IP network is ideal for VoIP customers. We > only use quality transit providers and we are directly peered with most > other carriers in Canada. In addition to the ITSP (DID / SIP Trunk) > services that we provide ourselves, our network is only a few hops away from > most of the other service providers like Voice Network, Comwave, ISP > Telecom, and Unlimitel (usually less than 5, and in some cases less than 2). > This is the result of either direct peering with those carriers, or direct > peering with their ISP. > > > > It might be best to setup a conference call for those who may be > interested in pursuing this further. > > > > Regards, > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Apache [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Henry L.Coleman > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [biz] Idea about Shared Co-Location > > > > I have to agree with Ian on this one. The TAUG is not a business entity > and has no legal standing. > > Therefore, we (whoever that might be) could'nt sign any contracts on > behalf of TAUG because we don't > > in the legal sence exist. Sorry to be such a kill-joy but that's the way > it is. > > > > PS If you want some space at 151 Front St. then I would start with Telnet > (Bill Sandiford) > > he is a member of our group and has good pricing. > > > > Henry L.Coleman [VoIP-PBX.ca] > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> Ian Darwin< > >> I've thought about it but never got it organized. There are numerous > >> administrative issues, such as: who is the legal entity that will > >> contract with the colo provider? what do you as a co-op do when a member > >> can't pay? Who will spend the several hours every month forever > >> consolidating the funds from members to the colo? Who pays the excess > >> during months when some sections are vacant (e.g., what happens if one > >> member pulls out 10U and it takes you a few months to replace them?) > >>> I have pricing from one of the colo provider which is > >>> > >>> Full Rack30A 110V AC Power > >>> Remote Switch PDU > >>> 100 Mbps Dedicated Unlimited Unmetered Bandwidth > >>> $2199/month > >>> > >> How many U is that "full rack"? I think I've seen "full rack" describe > >> several different heights of racks. > >> A 1U server would cost $2199/n. If n=48, that's $45/month, which seems > >> quite good > >> for unmetered! If n=30, that's about $75/mo which is still not bad for > >> unmetered. > >> Again, assuming 100% usage. > >> > >> I'm sure there are other issues to consider... > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKAebGI1xz6nMGzusRAm50AKCrlMzTMP1IcBsSa8l1ldhx+JGFEACeN0KK > FgUaFCmG7NBvsTRgT5H/ALc= > =LtfY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
