> "manipulating" the paper trail
So grabbing onhold names that you never owned by exploiting the Netsol FAX
loop-hole is ok in your book? What if three other companies in the world
have the same name. Should they all send in their faxes and claim rights to
the name whilst it is onhold? Surely the only legal way to get these names
is to wait for them to be deleted...
Lee Hodgson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: DomainGuideBook.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Domain held up at Network Solutions
>
> Ah, I guess I didn't really pick up on Steve's lack of association
> with the domain.
>
> My comment regarding company name or trademark was because NSI wants
> a level of confidence before accepting FAX authorizations. If there's
> an "A+ Welding Corp" owned awldco.com and goes bankrupt, and the former
> owners lose interest in the domain, it is still possible for another
> company with the same name to acquire the domain. And if I was running
> a company that sold Awls out of stores Washington DC and Ontario, and
> the domain awldco.com represented how I present my company, I would not
> have a problem "manipulating" the paper trail so that I could use the
> domain.
>
> So ... I approve of free-market first-come-first-served access to the
> DNS for *legitimate* use, but I have a *big* problem with sqatting.
> Same with generic domains. Unilever was first into the soup kitchen
> for the domain "mouthwash.com". Ya snooze ya lose. But the domain
> naming system is supposed to exist to allow easier access to IP-based
> resources on the 'Net. Domain names are not a resource, they are an
> index. People who hold domain names for ransom for the sole purpose of
> making a buck are just parasites. I hold them in the same regard as
> spammers and virus programmers.
>
> I guess it all depends on your definition of "legitimate". I *don't*
> consider the Internet to be an oil well which I can tap until it is dry,
> then move on. I value the Internet as a resource for the exchange of
> information. Squatting, like spam, devalues the resource by making it
> more difficult and expensive to operate.
>
> p
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:48:42PM +0700, DomainGuideBook.com wrote:
> >
> > > If the former domain holder cannot be reached and the domain is
> > > already past expiry, and Steve has a company name or trademark
> > > paperwork that identifies the connection between himself and either
> > > the domain or the company name on the domain, the procedure to get
> > > control of the domain is well documented. He pays the $35 to NSI,
> > > does a FAX authorization to change the admin contact to a valid
> > > email address, then authorizes the registrar change. I've done it
> > > a number of times for customers who "left" previous ISPs without
> > > securing their old email addresses.
> >
> > I'm now confused ;)
> >
> > Steve never said he had any connection to the name or trademark, only
that
> > he would like to own it. If he cannot contact the former owner, there is
no
> > legal way of getting the name from NSI. It has to be dropped first.
> >
> > > And if Steve *doesn't* have a trademark or real company that actually
> > > warrants the use of the domain, it would of course be unacceptable to
> > > do all this just to squat. But that's a different discussion.
> >
> > Are you saying that it is unacceptable to try to register domain names
> > *unless* you have a trademark or real company that connects you
explicitly
> > to the name? That's a new argument on me. What about generic domain
names
> > etc.?
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > P.S. Thanks!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: DomainGuideBook.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Domain held up at Network Solutions
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What I'm saying is that regardless of the paper trail that has to be
> > > generated for the acquisition of this domain, giving money to NSI is
> > > unfortunately going to be a part of it.
> > >
> > > If the former domain holder cannot be reached and the domain is
> > > already past expiry, and Steve has a company name or trademark
> > > paperwork that identifies the connection between himself and either
> > > the domain or the company name on the domain, the procedure to get
> > > control of the domain is well documented. He pays the $35 to NSI,
> > > does a FAX authorization to change the admin contact to a valid
> > > email address, then authorizes the registrar change. I've done it
> > > a number of times for customers who "left" previous ISPs without
> > > securing their old email addresses.
> > >
> > > And if Steve *doesn't* have a trademark or real company that actually
> > > warrants the use of the domain, it would of course be unacceptable to
> > > do all this just to squat. But that's a different discussion.
> > >
> > > The August 10th decision doesn't eliminate the process of selling an
> > > already registered domain to someone else, as long as NSI's policies
> > > are followed and their paper trail is complete. That's how it's
always
> > > been, and a change in policy isn't going to deter those of us who know
> > > how to read the instructions.
> > >
> > > Good article, by the way.
> > >
> > > p
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:41:32AM +0700, DomainGuideBook.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think Steve was saying that this isn't his domain, just a domain
he is
> > > > interested in acquiring, hence paying $35 to NetSol isn't really
going
> > to
> > > > help much.
> > > >
> > > > > > If I am able to get it does the original owner have a right to
take
> > it
> > > > back,
> > > > > > (nothing was ever done with the site)?
> > > >
> > > > Not unless they have a trademark on it, and even then it isn't
certain
> > they
> > > > could get it back.
> > > >
> > > > > > Any tips trick or techniques would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > If it is a valuable generic name, you could be competing with
hundreds
> > of
> > > > domain speculators for the name. But that's not a big issue at the
> > moment,
> > > > because NetSol have suspended their 'batch release' of expired
domains.
> > See
> > > > this article for further info:
> > > >
> > > > Domain Name Goldrush Part 4 - Expiring Domains Industry on Hold
> > > > http://www.ecommercebase.com/article/526
> > > >
> > > > Lee Hodgson
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: Steve Perrott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:13 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Domain held up at Network Solutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatever you do, don't convince NSI to "delete" the domain from
their
> > > > > database -- somebody else will snap it up before you can register
it,
> > > > > and you'll lose out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sad to say, your best bet is almost certainly to pay NSI their $35
for
> > > > > the year, and as soon as the expiry date is revised, get the frig
away
> > > > > from them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what dollar figure you put on an hour of your time,
but
> > if
> > > > > you're considering an hour of time just to be on hold on NSI's 800
#,
> > > > > you've almost certainly eaten the $35, and they have *no*
procedures
> > to
> > > > > allow you to guarantee the continued availability of a domain if
they
> > > > > can't expect any money from you.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 08:28:26PM -0700, Steve Perrott wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to get a domain that is being held by Network
Solutions
> > that
> > > > > > expired in April of this year. This is about 4 months later
that
> > the
> > > > domain
> > > > > > hasn't been paid for, there is not a site there and I would like
any
> > > > inside
> > > > > > info on how to get it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been told that it may be held up for as long as 3 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I am able to get it does the original owner have a right to
take
> > it
> > > > back,
> > > > > > (nothing was ever done with the site)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any tips trick or techniques would be appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Paul Chvostek
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > 598-0000
> > > > > IT Canada
> > http://www.it.ca/
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Chvostek
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> > > Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416
598-0000
> > > IT Canada
http://www.it.ca/
> > >
>
> --
> Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
