> > So, boys and girls, this kind of pissed me off. If you don't want your
> > code forked, change your fucking license. If you're jealous because
> > openbox took your users, code some fucking features. And how about a
> > little 'thank you' for all the fucking bugs that xor fixes and they
> > make it into the changlog as '--shaleh'? Get a fucking life.
>
> OK, talking is seriously a little immature here. I never talked shit
> about blackbox. I was fixing bugs in it right up till the 0.65
> release. So don't be saying that I'm stealing all YOUR work. Your
> window manager works half decent cuz of shit i was fixing every day.

So, apparently I need to watch my mouth...

> Hmm, borders for textures. Who's stealing who's ideas? I don't care
> that you want to do that. I think we should make our styles match. But
> that probably shows the difference between our approach and yours. I
> predict your style extensions will be made deliberately so that
> Openbox can't use them even tho it already has the same extension.

First off, for what it is worth, this border in textures code was something 
posted to the blackbox feature request page at sourceforge: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=613119&group_id=40696&atid=428683

Second, this made lots of sense while I was working on the new menus that 
will go into the new libbt that shaleh and I are working on.  Since I have 
made each menu use only a single window, I decided to make my life a 
little easier by drawing borders in the texture code, instead of doing it 
all by hand in the exposeEvent handler (like i did in moving_target*).

Third, the style stuff may or may not change, I don't know.  As shaleh and 
I work on things, we may decide to revise the look slightly (as I have 
done with the menus).  If this means a few changes to the style syntax, 
then so be it.

> > [23:16] (@nyz) last i looked, it was a hack of blackbox
> > [23:16] (@nyz) his change logs say stuff like "reforked from the
> > 0.65.0 release"
>
> Since when does having common code make it a HACK? Openbox has taken
> hacks in blackbox and made them work properly. Sticky windows anyone?
> Yes, it was reforked from 0.65. I put a lot of time into helping make
> the 0.65 release stable etc etc, and I readded every feature Openbox
> had already done, to the new 0.65 code base. Wow, obviously a complete
> ugly hack then. Bullshit.

Well, I don't really have any defense to the things I said, so the only 
thing I can do is apologize.  Next time, I will do my best to make 
knowledgable and thought out comments.

> If you don't like someone using your _open sourced_ window manager to
> make something they like better..why is it open source? Change your
> license and stop complaining. Oh, most of the recent changes in CVS
> are looking pretty damn close the code in Openbox 2. So this bitching
> seems quite out of line.

I don't mind if people decide to change things.  What I do mind is spending 
weeks preparing for a release after changing/revising/rewriting massive 
amounts of code, and then once it's released someone just decides to scoop 
it up and readd their changes.

Granted, the license allows it.  But, it doesn't mean that I have to like 
it.  But just because I get a bit discouraged/disheartened by doesn't mean 
I'm going to change the license, shutdown CVS and then start demanding 
download fees.

> Perhaps we could all grow up a little here. Stop fighting over.. (what
> are we fighting over again? I dont see a point to any of this.)

As I mentioned above, this started because of me being a bit annoyed over 
some of the things that have been happening lately.  You recall that I 
sent you mail this weekend regarding text on the openbox webpage, correct?  
At first, it did piss me off a bit to see "Openbox was previously known as 
Blackbox", but I didn't blow up and I sent you mail asking you to change 
it.  You did, and I'm glad.

However, I was a bit quick to shoot off my mouth.  I do apologize about 
that.

> Bye.
> xOr

-- 
Bradley T. Hughes - bhughes at trolltech.com
Trolltech AS - Waldemar Thranes gt. 98 N-0175 Oslo, Norway


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