Randy McMurchy wrote:
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 05/09/06 19:52 CST:
First of all, I would like to complement DJ on his tremendous efforts in
getting xorg7 into the book.
Ditto that sentiment.
Thanks guys.
The problem is especially acute for X. The user does not have graphics
yet and its hard to refer to the book while building unless the user
prints out the instructions or has another computer.
Not true. I build Lynx before even leaving LFS Chapter 6 chroot.
Works for me. At the console with Lynx and GPM installed it is
the same as a graphics layout
Same here.
I'm not sure how to approach this. I've thought of a couple of ways:
1. Put the exact build scripts needed on each page.
2. Put all the required instructions in the wiki. I note that the
Xorg7 pages don't have those links yet.
In fear of too much hand holding, I don't personally _want_ them in the
book. A user is given an *example* of how to script the build once.
I'm not about making it difficult for users, but IMO, 7 examples is too
much hand holding and doesn't give her the chance to modify the simple
script for the needs of the current set of instructions.
Then there are the really creative scripts that may be more comfortable
to one user over the transparent one in the book...
alias x7build='tar -xf $1.tar.bz2 && rm $1.tar.bz2 && cd $1 && \
./configure $XORG_CONFIG && make && make install && ldconfig && \
cd .. && rm -rf $1'
for file in $(cat file.wget | sed 's/tar.bz2//'); \
do x7build $file || break; done
That's just two lines (and just might fit on the fb console...nah maybe
not). It also may not work as is, being I just threw it out there off
the top of my head. The point is that there is definitely more than one
way to script the build.
Also, the position of the pages doesn't reflect the complete build order:
Some minor dep changes coming...hold on to that for the moment. I'll
repost the build order and deps (like your previous message) after
commit...however, I'm not against providing all deps on the x7 intro
page in addition to the deps on the specific pages. (ed, freetype,
libpng, mesa (needs some libs first), pkgconfig).
Also, I just found that ed may be a runtime dep for anything using
makedepend. What's left in the book besides NAS that uses xmkmf? Also,
I don't see the ed script in the Xorg-6.9 tree, so I have _not_ added it
as a dependency. Admittedly, the look was rather casual involving a few
greps.
xterm is needed for the standard startx test before a window manager or
.xinitrc is set up and really should be a part of xorg7. Is it a part
of xorg6.9? It definitely is a part of xfree.
It is part of 6.9 if you use the default configuration file
created in the instructions.
<snip>
To me, having Xterm in the "General Utilities" is *so wrong* that
it isn't funny.
I can only say that it is no longer maintained at freedesktop.org and is
no longer _officially_ a part of the distribution, but is rather a favor
that it is provided in the mono tarball. IMO, xorg is pretty much
unusable without it, but it is a separately maintained package. I agree
with randy (*so wrong*), but that is based strictly in personal taste.
In contrast, I do believe that xterm _is_ in the correct section by
technical merit. I'll explain...
ATM, the note in the configuration section is incomplete as it doesn't
currently tell the user that she can remove the line, nor does it
mention that there are other terminal emulators that can do the same
job. For that reason, I'd say we keep it where it's at, and just accept
that xorg has a broken default config. The note will be fixed after one
more read through.
-- DJ Lucas
OT: Is feminine the new PC way to speak or write when gender is unknown?
I've seen this a lot recently. I like it, but nowhere is there a
definitive rule, at least not one that I could find.
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