On 10-10-2014 20:28, Christopher Gregory wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-10-10 at 18:12 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> Christopher Gregory wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Now that we have the systemd version as a stable option we need to
>>> over-haul the asking for help section.

>> There is section 1.5 in LFS, but many people either don't read it or 
>> ignore it.  The first item says:
>>
>> Apart from a brief explanation of the problem being experienced, the 
>> essential things to include in any request for help are:
>>
>>   o The version of the book being used (in this case SVN-20141008)
>>
>> That is also mentioned in BLFS, Chapter 1 - Asking for Help and the FAQ.

>> Perhaps a sample form would help.

Living in a country where I have to prove to the government that I am
alive, every year, I don't like bureaucracy.

>>> 3) That they attach the full log-file of the error that they are getting
>>> and not just the un-helpful error that they receive on the screen.
>>> In the case of systemd they need to provide the output of journalctl.
>>
>> We already say essentially that, however I don't want 200K log files 
>> littering the mailing list.
> 
> Hello Bruce,
> 
> With regards to the log files littering the mailing lists, other distros
> have at least in the past suggested that logfiles get posted to
> http://www.pastebin.com and a link provided in the support email.3

Full log file is not useful. W all have already helped people who used
pastebin.

Help is working well most of the time. Many questions are not version
specific.

I think it is more our responsibility to repeat the questions to the
user asking for help.


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