On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:34:17AM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
> 
> But all this isn't, I think, the point from the modern newbie's
> perspective.  Because modern distros strive to provide a complete
> desktop environment competitive with common, errrm, commercial software,
> they hide what the fundamental parts of a useful Linux system are.  I
> think, clearly, newbies don't know what additions from BLFS to the
> extremely Spartan LFS makes a modestly functional, manageable, common
> system which should be made first.  I think if we stripped away all the
> foliage from the systems we use, we'd find underneath a fairly common,
> consistent set of packages--from which our individual interests caused
> divergences, mostly by addition.  I think what the newbie wants is a
> page in BLFS that lists the packages, and order, that get them to that
> next plateau of functionality.

 For a server, I doubt there is very much commonality.  For a
desktop I suspect the common packages stop fairly soon after building
Xorg.  For myself, getting my preferred wm is basically followed by
firefox with system libraries.  Everything after that, including
printing [ not everyone uses a printer, and not all printers use the
same packages ], is very much down to individual choice.

 Normally, discussing changes to the book is done on -dev.  In this
case, since we are discussing guidance for new builders and everyone
on -dev has probably long forgotten what it was like being new here,
perhaps we could discuss it here ?  If so, care to start the ball
rolling in a new thread by providing a list of packages *with
justifications* for people's comments ?  Or perhaps the wiki could
be used ?  Bruce, your opinion please (if you are around).

 Alternatively, perhaps hint(s) suggesting how to approach the
problem might be better ?  The one good thing about a hint is that
it is dated - dependencies change over time, what worked for me in
September now doesn't work for all the current versions, or is
suboptimal (the 'pysqlite got downloaded by firefox' discussion).

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