On 03/12/2018 20:20, Hans Malissa via blfs-support wrote:
> On Dec 03, 2018, at 01:41 AM, Pierre Labastie via blfs-support
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 03/12/2018 06:30, Hans Malissa via blfs-support wrote:
>>> On Dec 02, 2018, at 10:26 PM, Bruce Dubbs via blfs-support
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 12/02/2018 10:40 PM, Hans Malissa via blfs-support wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in section "Xorg-7 Testing and Configuration" in BLFS 8.3-systemd.
>>>>> Xorg seems to work, and when I issue startx I get the Xorg desktop with
>>>>> 3 xterm windows and 1 xclock window. However, the windows have no
>>>>> frames, and cannot be moved or resized. I remember twm differently, and
>>>>> I'm wondering if it's supposed to be like this, or if something is wrong
>>>>> with twm? Is this the default behavior, just windows that have no
>>>>> frames, and cannot be moved or resized?
>>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>>
>>>> You should be able to grab the header and move the windows. Resizing is
>>>> different. Click and hold in the upper right corner with the left mouse
>>>> button and move the mouse out of the window. An outline should appear.
>>>> When you release the mouse button, the window should resize. Click in
>>>> the background to get a menu.
>>>>
>>>> -- Bruce
>>>
>>> The windows have no header. The way you describe it is what I remember from
>>> twm, but my windows have no headers and no outlines. That's why I'm 
>>> wondering
>>> whether twm is working alright.
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>
>> That happened once to me because I had built xorg-server before installing 
>> the
>> font utilities. Because of that, Xorg couldn't find fonts that twm was
>> requesting, and twm could not start. I think you can still exit X, though, by
>> moving the mouse to the upper left window and typing Ctrl-D. Then you can
>> examine the terminal where you launched "startx" for any errors (note that
>> there may be a lot of warnings about fonts not found, if you have not
>> installed the legacy fonts, so that this part is useless). If my hypothesis 
>> is
>> correct, it should say something about helvetica fonts, as far as I remember.
>> Also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to try to see what went wrong.
>>
>> If the fonts are not found, install them, and rebuild xorg-server. If 
>> anything
>> else, well, I guess we need more details...
>>
>> Pierre
> 
> Thanks for the information. Yes, I can switch the active window by hovering
> the mousepointer over it.
> I'm pasting my /var/log/Xorg.0.log below. I see some error messages regarding
> fonts, but I guess that's related to the legacy fonts, nothing concrete about
> helvetica fonts.
> So which section did I miss? I've been following chapter 24 as closely as
> possible, but I can't exclude the possibility that I missed something or that
> something went wrong.
> Thanks a lot,

The log seems OK. The font directories seem to be found.

What you can try is to issue "twm &" at the prompt in the window which is
above the others. I mean:
- First start Xorg with "startx"
- You'll get the four windows (3 xterm's and 1 xclock). Hoover the mouse other
the window which is above the others (hopefully it is one of the xterm
windows). Then type "twm &".
You'll get a lot of warnings, but maybe there will be an error message or
something telling why twm does not start (or aborts).

HTH
Pierre
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