You can always use Chocolatey to install whatever you like. Of course the virtualenv package will keep your environments isolated from each other.
Take care, Chris Norman On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 11:55, Jacob Kruger <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok - again, thanks for quick response. > > > I might look into running a couple of different versions of python - have > done in the past - or try it out on a different machine from the one with > that version of python installed. > > > Stay well > > Jacob Kruger > +2782 413 4791 > Skype: BlindZA > "...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." > On 2021-02-16 01:40 PM, Chris Norman via groups.io wrote: > > OK, upon further inspection, Earwax doesn't work with earlier versions of > Python, because I apparently rely on some newer language features. Sorry > about that. :) > > To be fair, the version that NVDA uses is pretty out of date, although I > know it's going to be a slog for them to upgrade. > > Take care, > > Chris Norman > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 09:06, Jacob Kruger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ok, I now did the pip install Earwax --upgrade, and it seemed to update >> it to 2026.2.7, but, am now getting following import error: >> >> ImportError: cannot import name 'get_origin' from 'typing' >> (C:\Users\bandi\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37-32\lib\typing.py) >> >> >> And, FWIW, the reason I work with the version of python I do is since >> it's the one recommended to work with NVDA add-on development, etc., but, >> let me play around a bit more. >> >> >> Thanks for quick answer, either way >> >> >> STay well >> >> Jacob Kruger >> +2782 413 4791 >> Skype: BlindZA >> "...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >> On 2021-02-15 02:58 PM, Chris Norman via groups.io wrote: >> >> OK, >> Version 2026.2.6 hopefully fixes that, although I'm using Python 3.9.1, >> so other things might rely on newer language features. >> >> To ensure the best compatibility with Earwax, use the latest version of >> Python you can lay your hands on. >> >> Take care, >> >> Chris Norman >> >> >> >> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 12:24, Jacob Kruger <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Chris, if I install it via pip, then, the moment I try to import it, I >>> get the following error: >>> >>> File >>> "C:\Users\bandi\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37-32\lib\site-packages\earwax\mixins.py", >>> line 7, in <module> >>> from typing import (TYPE_CHECKING, Any, Dict, List, Optional, >>> TextIO, Type, >>> ImportError: cannot import name 'get_args' from 'typing' >>> (C:\Users\bandi\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37-32\lib\typing.py) >>> >>> >>> That's under python 3.7.8 32-bit, if relevant. >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> Blind Biker >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> "...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >>> On 2021-02-15 02:12 PM, Chris Norman via groups.io wrote: >>> >>> OK, so this is actually an area where Earwax's documentation is sadly >>> lacking. >>> >>> Behind the scenes, Earwax uses Synthizer <https://synthizer.github.io/> for >>> its sound needs. >>> >>> When creating a sound, you can use three types of positions: You can set >>> the position to ``None``, which is Python's answer to ``null``, or ``nil``. >>> This unpans the sound, so it's completely unaffected by anything spacial. >>> >>> You can slo set the sound to a float value between -1.0, and 1.0. This >>> pans the sound left and right (with 0 being centre), as you'd expect. >>> >>> Finally, you can set it to an earwax Point >>> <https://earwax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/earwax.point.html> instance, >>> which gives you full 3d capabilities. >>> >>> Also, the earwax ``BufferCache`` class is a LRU cache (least recently >>> used), so you can get buffers from it, and it'll remove the buffers which >>> were used longest ago. >>> >>> For more information on sounds, check the earwax.sound >>> <https://earwax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/earwax.sound.html> module >>> documentation. >>> >>> As for behind the player processing, it would depend what you mean. >>> There's a whole raft load of scheduling features, from the earwax.Task >>> <https://earwax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/earwax.task.html> class, >>> to two different promise >>> <https://earwax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/earwax.promises.html> types, >>> to the scheduling features provided by pyglet.clock >>> <https://pyglet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/modules/clock.html>. >>> >>> What there *isn't* yet, is filters. This is because they're not yet in >>> Synthizer. >>> >>> There is reverb and delay though, so you've got your two main fx covered. >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Chris Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 11:29, john <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I've also recently been looking into various game engines myself >>>> (mostly rust-based), but this sounds pretty interesting as well. My current >>>> conundrum is around getting something that has actual genuinely accurate >>>> sound panning; how is Earwax for that? Ideally I'd like to be able to pass >>>> it either a degree value (from centered) or use a linear scale that >>>> actually maps itself directly to degrees, so that when an object is >>>> directly left, there's *zero*! audio in the right speaker, and when the >>>> object is at a 45 degree offset, one side is at half volume. Most games >>>> I've played seem to struggle with this so I've been figuring I'm going to >>>> have to get into decibels and logarithms, but since we're on the topic of >>>> game engines here, it can't hurt to ask. >>>> >>>> Additionally, significant bonus points will be awarded for real >>>> handling of behind-the-player processing, but at least in that case I can >>>> pretty easily make up the difference in an audio editor if needed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2021 5:42, Chris Norman via groups.io wrote: >>>> I'm it's primary (and currently soul) developer, so if you do try it, >>>> I'd love to know how you get on. Also, please submit issues, so I can fix >>>> 'em! :) >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> >>>> Chris Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 at 22:47, Shaun Everiss <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have heard of earwax but I haven't really looked at it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15/02/2021 4:41 am, Immigrant via groups.io wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. I heard of Lucia, and could not find any documentation for it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>>> <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chris Norman via groups.io >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:20 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] Introduction, and programming questions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> There are a few different audio game engines for Python, these include >>>>> Earwax <https://earwax.readthedocs.io/> (beta), Lucia >>>>> <https://github.com/luciasoftware/lucia> (which is supposed to be >>>>> more familiar to those coming from BGT, Framework >>>>> <https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/38239/framework-my-new-set-of-tools-for-audiogame-creation-in-python3/> >>>>> (for >>>>> want of a better name), and pyAGE >>>>> <https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/38941/pyage-yet-another-python-audio-game-engine/> >>>>> (which >>>>> is still very much in its early stages). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you'd rather go the mainstream route, and don't mind a little more >>>>> work, there's Godot Accessibility >>>>> <https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/33909/migrated-godot-accessibility-to-github/> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Finally, for some subjective comparisons, see this thread >>>>> <https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/38995/python-and-audiogame/> on >>>>> the audiogames.net forum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are others, namely MonoGame <https://www.monogame.net/>, and >>>>> probably some other stuff in C# too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Other than that, please just do everyone a favour (mainly yourself), >>>>> and don't use BGT. It's like deciding to dig yourself a swimming pool, >>>>> using a plastic bucket and spade for digging, wattle and dorb for lining, >>>>> and stiff prayer for water purification. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Norman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 at 02:42, Immigrant via groups.io <immigrant328= >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, everyone I have just joined the group, and I hope the >>>>> distinguished >>>>> gamers and writers in this gaming community understand that I am very >>>>> much a >>>>> beginner, trying to write perhaps a couple of simple dice or card >>>>> games. I >>>>> wrote a dice game script in BGT, and the script doesn't generate any >>>>> compilation errors. However, the game window stays open only for a >>>>> couple of >>>>> seconds, and then disappears, so none of the program's keystrokes can >>>>> be >>>>> executed. I realize that BGT is no longer supported, but it does work >>>>> under >>>>> Windows 10, and it is the only engine where I know how to implement >>>>> keystrokes and add and manipulate sounds. I checked basic tutorials >>>>> for a >>>>> few programming languages, and realized that game logic can be >>>>> programmed in >>>>> any of the languages but none of these tutorials addresses >>>>> keystroke-driven >>>>> implementation, or addition of sound. And even in the BGT tutorial, I >>>>> have >>>>> not found answers to some of my questions. The game I am currently >>>>> trying to >>>>> write is a dice roller, but if one tries to create, for example, a card >>>>> game, how do you make a card playable? If cards exist as strings, or >>>>> parts >>>>> of an array, or even instances of their own class, they are just >>>>> abstract >>>>> logical structures. But cards need to be manipulated - picked up, >>>>> discarded, >>>>> etc. If I have a hand with 5 cards, how do I program a way to navigate >>>>> the >>>>> list of cards and then perform an action on a card currently in focus? >>>>> How >>>>> to make it an element of interface so it can be selected? I hope I >>>>> clearly >>>>> expressed my questions, and I am grateful in advance for any >>>>> clarifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#123344): https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/message/123344 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/80623843/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/leave/607459/1071380848/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
