Ok, So lets see if I understand.You need a third party system to have two screen readers loaded onto a single computer. Is that correct? I was kind of hoping that I could just unload or sleep the one and turn the other one when I needed it, then vice versa. Is that possible without all that trouble? I mean , couldn't the second screen reader be treated just like any other program that I use without Jaws running? allan The truth will set you freehe... Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD ----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
> Depends if its dcm compatible. > I have dcm compabible software. > In case there are those non educated in dcm it stands for direct chain > management. > What the hell does it mean? > Well for the end user, you can run as many screenreaders or whatever > supports the dcm standard without the following. > 1. installation problems, that is you used to have to uninstall the > readers in reverse. > 2. Use of a display patch bridge. > I actually used one of these for a short time. > In dcm you can run all dcm programs together, but why you would like to > run jaws is a weird thing to me. > Like hal and jaws. > But if you mistakenly did it now and restarted then you still will have a > system. > In the old days the patch is like this. > Your first screenreader, say jaws, is the display driver, then jaws loads > the display driver which loads hal or whatever. > If you started both together, the following would happen. > Your system would start with an hardware error. > If you were lucky you would start with a reduced display mode. > To fix this, you reinstalled your display driver, or roled the driver back > and installed the thing again. > But in most cases you got a hardware error. > You fixed this by doing a reformat. > Its fine to do that, as it gets the system going. > But the thing was it was so easy to damn well do. > I did this on a number of ocations, sometimes I forgot to remove a reader > from startup and an install with it ran and then well boom, time to > reformat. > Or pushing 2 hotkeys at once by mistake, guess what, time to reformat. > Before this I had one reader. > I was one of the first on the scene with dcm enabled software. > For the developer, dcm is a library, you can call dcm from any app to use > it. > Its small and well its quite ok. > True it did have a few bugs but they quickly went away. > Dcm unlike the old non dcm method doesn't necessarily have to be > configured. > There is a program to ultar the chain order of screenreaders, but for most > things if you install another dcm program, and say update that program, > with say another system, and the display driver aint updated, graphics > card, etc dcm will update its data automatically. > If your graphics drivers or other problems, or updates to dcm are made you > may get an error on your reader. > You push enter and reboot and dcm will reload with new data. > Dcm is coded by microsoft. > But the standard was designed by a-squared and gwmicro. > Ms made the dlls and thats it. > I suppose ms own the code but nothing else. > Its good that someone else other than ms wrote the standard. > Ms can't buy dcm for their own uses. > Imagine for instance if after activating your screenreader you would have > to activate dcm because ms wanted you to. > I don't think they can do that though. > I think they were contracted with writing the code. > But thats that. > At 12:31 a.m. 3/02/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Shaun, >>I never occured to me that there are other screen readers that can be put >>on the same system. I always thought that one system, one reader. >>So perhaps another screen reader can help in filling out forms where >>Jaws >>can't? >>Thanks for the idea. You have been a great help. >> >>So now , are those other screen readers as expensive as jaws? >>allan >> >>The truth will set you freehe... >>Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:23 PM >>Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >> >> >>>I have had my problems with jaws forms mode which is why I continue to >>>use >>>hal for most tasks. >>> I spent cash getting jaws for a spaciffic project back at tech and >>> upgraded it on smas. >>> But I feel disaloosioned since the only time I actually need jaws is >>> when >>> I do an xl project or hard word format document. >>> Since thats not done anymore since i am no longer needing to do stuff >>> like >>> that because I am no longer at uni, jaws is for a couple of journal >>> sites, >>> and a couple sights that lock hell. >>> Up to the time i loaded k-lite mega codec I was using it to update and >>> install realplayer. >>> The only reason I keep it is actually because I need it in a low key >>> way, >>> but also as I spent loads on it. >>> If you take away advanced semi graphical programs away, hal 5.21 can do >>> most if not everything a home user wants. >>> I was never able to nut out forms mode and in fact jaws seems to want >>> forms as having some key presses as commands. >>> I may try a demo of windoweyes. >>> However I doubt unless I really need it that I will ever upgrade any >>> screen reader I currently have. >>> The truth is that the jaws thing came to late for my project and it >>> ended >>> without jaws when most needed. >>> So I have a failed project and a whaping piece of expensive software I >>> hardly need. >>> Is it bad luck or what? >>> At 09:12 a.m. 2/02/2006, you wrote: >>>>Actually, What I was attempting to do is register vb express. It can't >>>>be >>>>registered without a microsoft passport account. When I fill out the >>>>form >>>>to >>>>get an account, which consists of all sorts of information, you >>>>finally >>>>at >>>>the end of it all click I accept. What happens is that All the edit >>>>fields >>>>are wiped clean and there is no message of anything having been denied >>>>or >>>>accepted. When I attempted to use the passport, since it is also a >>>>hotmail >>>>account, it would not work, thus proving to me that the account wasn't >>>>created. >>>>I finally broke down and got my sister to fill in the form for passport, >>>>and >>>>jaws was on. This same thing occured with her, so she turned off jaws >>>>and >>>>redid the account and it worked. >>>>I am not sure about any email that needs to be sent to me, except for >>>>the >>>>one that is sent to provide a key for the program, which will finally >>>>complete the registration...man, this sounds like an accesible game >>>>idea. >>>>Fill in the account fields...or die! >>>>I hope I explained what has been going on, and I am sorry for any >>>>confusion. >>>>allan >>>> >>>> >>>>The truth will set you freehe... >>>>Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:47 PM >>>>Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>> >>>> >>>>>I think we are on different pages. What are you trying to verify, if it >>>>>is >>>>> an email address, you wait for the email address associated with your >>>>> Microsoft passport to be sent and click on the link. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:34 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sarah, >>>>>> Are you using jaws 5.0? If you are then perhaps I am doing something >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> allan >>>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:33 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> managed to verify my address with no problems. I just waited for an >>>>>>> email >>>>>>> to appear and clicked onthe link and then followed the prompts. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:03 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Shaun for checking it out. It also appears that microsoft >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> want me to register vb studio express either. It has become an >>>>>>>> exercise >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> frustration. >>>>>>>> allan >>>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:43 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well alan I mannaged to verify an address but not approve it. >>>>>>>>> In the old days before hotmail was secured I mad a passport and >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>> to log in on an old email address with it. >>>>>>>>> When I change my email I will keep my msn. >>>>>>>>> I tried to get another but can't varify the address so went back >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> old address. >>>>>>>>> At 04:59 p.m. 1/02/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Hello list, >>>>>>>>>>for anyone who as ignorant as me, I felt it is necessary to tell >>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>my >>>>>>>>>>adventures with trying to get a microsoft passport created. >>>>>>>>>>The biggest thing that must be remembered with this experience is >>>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>>jaws must be unloaded, at least mine being jaws 5.0 or none of the >>>>>>>>>>information put into the fields will be retained. 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