Well, well.
Sure sounds like you have a house with the same old fixtures as our old
house used to have.
There are seveal concerns here. First concern is the condition of that old
wireing. It sure sounds like it is the cotton or whatever material they used
to use for insulation. That stuff is very, very fragile at this point in
time.
Now, as for the fixture, I bet it is just a round ceramic fixture which has
grown to the ceiling from many, many coats of old paint. Might take a
utility knife and go all around the fixture just where it connects with the
ceiling.
If you took out the 2 or so screws which held it up then you should be good
to go.
Is your upstairs a dormer type arrangement or is there an attic over it?
This sure could be important in the future.
Cy, the Ancient Okie...  

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 PM
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] old ceiling fixture

In our old house in the upstairs bedrooms are ceiling fixtures which are a
small ceramic cylinder about 2 inches wide and about the same length.  There
is a small dome on the bottom and out of the center hole hands a forlorn
cord - actually two old fuzzy cords brittle with age -- and at the end of
each is a light socket with a light bulb and no shield until my daughter
cleverly hung a japanese paper lanter on hers.  Naturally a short has
appeared.  It is in the fixture.
   
  I turned the power off and confidently thought I would open it up and
repair the short.  There were no screws at the base.  I poked at the dome
with a screw driver and paint fell out of two holes one on each side of the
center.  I turned out screws at the bottom of the holes.  Each is small and
about a half inch long.  The holes were about as deep as the dome is high
from the edge of the cylinders.  
   
  Nothing happened when the screws came out.  
   
  I attempted to turn the dome.  Nothing happened.  
   
  I thumped the cylinder.  Nothing happened.
   
  These things are covered with paint and I could feel no seam along the
body.  So here is the question how do you remove the fixtures or get inside
without destroying the fragile plaster ceilings? 
   
  When I ask people about this.  There is nothing but silence.  Like who
would have such old fixtures anyway?
   
  Are these things two pieces or one?  
   
  Incidently, grousing about how difficult this was and who would paint a
ceramic fixture anyway?  I was informed by my wife, that if they were an
ugly brown you might.  Needless to say I dropped the subject.
   
  Any suggestions?

                
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