Thanks Clifford and all on the tips of frost depth. this particular slope I am referring to faces East. However a two car garage blocks the sun from hitting it until high noon and the wind does whip thru there. those fruit trees you refer to Clifford on the North 40 sounds like a good place to camp out this time of the year when during the night you can hear the thump thump of falling apples. in the morning pick up the " drops" as when aged make great apple jack. Lee
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