Can you describe the profile of a reverse glue joint router bit? I can probably get a description elsewhere if necessary and pass it on.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? > Tongue and groove joints: > > The Woodcraft catalog carries a CMT Tongue and Groove Router Bit Set. Item > number 820275 for $88.70. The write-up says: make tongue and groove joints > without the complicated process of taking apartr and reassembling bits. > With the CMT Tongue and Groove Set one bit routs the slot and a second > mills the tongue. Makes tongue and groove cuts in wood up to 3/4 inch > thick, 1/2 inch shank, carbide tipped, for router table use only." > > The catalog also carries a CMT Reverse Glue Joint Router Bit, item number > 820316 for $86.40. The write-up reads "Produces an almost indestructible > glue joint quickly and accurately. Ideal for joing wide panels, doors and > furniture parts. By accurately centering the bit in the wood, the upper > and lower vertical cutting edges of the bit will cut equal proportions. > Simply run one edge of the panel, turn the panel over, and then run the > opposite edge. You will produce perfectly matched reverse cuts that form > flawless joints. Stock thickness 19/31-inch to 1 and 3/16-inch." > > -- > Larry Martin > Woodworking for the Blind > --joining the world of blind wood workers > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> There is the "bow-tie" joinery method too. This too uses a special cutter >> which forms two flared cuts usually used on the under side of boards. a >> bow-tie shaped bit of wood is then tapped into the voids cut and because >> of >> the tapered shape tapping it down pulls the edges together. >> >> I haven't used or even seen one up close and dirty. >> >> At one time they used to sell tongue & groove router bit sets, I haven't >> seen one in several years though, wonder if they are still around. >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> > Biscuits are a good alternative when edge joining boards particul,arly >> > because they help align the boards so that the edge seam fits very >> > closely. The biscuits also provide added strength to the joint because >> > they increase the area of gluer surface but usually that added strength >> > isn't needed. The area along the edges of the boards usually provides >> > sufficient glue area. >> > >> > There's a new tool that's being introduced in a month or so from >> > Festool >> > called the Domino which will cut biscuits shaped like smaller mortises. >> > The mortises are cut because the cutterhead oscillates to produce the >> > deeper straight cut of the mortise. The Domino comes with precut strips >> > of >> > wood that serve as floating tenons and which are sized to fit those >> > mortises exactly. The tool appears to be a fabulous improvement and is >> > one >> > of the few really new and imaginative concepts, but, unfortunately, >> > it's >> > very expensive. The tool with one cutterhead is projected to cost $700 >> > and >> > an additional $200 to buy different sized cutterheads. >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Martin >> > Woodworking for the Blind >> > --joining the world of blind wood workers >> > >> > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> I don't know that they are particularly better however they are a >> >> little >> >> more forgiving. >> >> >> >> The cutter is a blade maybe 3 16th wide which pushes out through a >> >> slot >> >> into >> >> the edge of the boards to be joined. There are a few sizes so you can >> >> adjust >> >> the depth of cut and it cuts an arc shape. There is something of a >> >> fence >> >> which can be adjusted to set the distance up or down so the faces line >> >> up. >> >> This fence can be hinged up or down to form an angle which permits you >> >> to >> >> use them to join boards on angles. >> >> >> >> If I need I lay my boards up then stick tape across the joint at >> >> intervals >> >> then cut the tape with a sharp blade using the edge of the tape as a >> >> point >> >> to line up the cutter index mark on. I find this much quicker and more >> >> accurate than fiddling with dowel jigging and absolutely vertical >> >> holes >> >> but >> >> then I am a bit on the lazy side. >> >> >> >> For an outdoor project like that though it isn't usually good to use >> >> wide >> >> boards laminated or otherwise because of the widely changing climatic >> >> conditions. Even a very small gap will permit movement of the boards. >> >> >> >> Certainly I do use biscuits for outdoor joinery with water resistant >> >> glue, I >> >> have many edging beds here made of a 2 by 8 pressure treated board >> >> with a >> >> 2 >> >> by 6 on edge to form a nice boarder for mowing the lawn, keeps the >> >> trimming >> >> down and produces a slight raised bed and helps keep blind feet out of >> >> the >> >> gardens.In this application though the boards can swell out in >> >> opposite >> >> directions away from the joinery. I also used good long screws when I >> >> discovered that even good exterior glue isn't fail safe. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Skype DaleLeavens >> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "John Schwery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:35 PM >> >> Subject: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dale, thanks. I have never worked with biscuits as I don't have a >> >> > cutter. Are these better than dowels and are they hard to use? >> >> > >> >> > earlier, Dale Leavens, wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>Hi John, >> >> >> >> >> >>I think I would just screw the planks together from underneath with >> >> >>the >> >> >>transverse boards you intend to attach the folding legs to. I would >> >> >>also >> >> >>leave a very small gap between the planks to allow for movement in >> >> >>the >> >> >>wood >> >> >>in the outdoor environment. >> >> >> >> >> >>If you do intend to laminate them together on the edges you need >> >> >>very >> >> >>good >> >> >>edges, true and straight It doesn't matter much which joining method >> >> >>you >> >> >>use >> >> >>though, I would probably use biscuits since I have a cutter however >> >> >>the >> >> >>wider you form a board the more it will want to expand width wise. >> >> >>If >> >> >>you >> >> >>do >> >> >>this you will also want to elongate the screws holes that hold the >> >> >>transverse pieces to the table top so they can slide a little to >> >> >>allow >> >> >>for >> >> >>movement in that wide panel otherwise it will either crack or cup or >> >> >>probably both. >> >> >> >> >> >>Hope this gives you some ideas. >> >> >> >> >> >>Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> >> >><mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>Skype DaleLeavens >> >> >>Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>From: "John Schwery" >> >> >><<mailto:jschwery%40runbox.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>To: >> >> >><<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> >> >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:40 PM >> >> >>Subject: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> >> >> >> >I would like your ideas on a folding table. I want to make a >> >> >> >folding >> >> >> > table for a sort of outdoor work bench. I bought the legs from >> >> >> > harbor Freight. They are similar to what you might see on tables >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > church and school meals. I thought of making the top from 1 by 12 >> >> >> > wood, about 5 feet long and 2 feet wide, with a cross piece under >> >> >> > each end to support the 2 vertical pieces and for fastening the >> >> >> > legs. What sort of joint would be best for vertical boards, 2 1 >> >> >> > by 5 >> >> >> > pieces joined side by side? Should I use dowels, tongue and >> >> >> > groove >> >> >> > or something else? If I use tongue and groove, what should be the >> >> >> > width of the tongue? Will I need any cross pieces in the >> >> >> > middle? About the heaviest thing I might have on it would be my >> >> >> > router table and router. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > John >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> >> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: >> >> >> > 2/14/2007 >> >> >> > 4:17 PM >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > To listen to the show archives go to link >> >> >> > <http://acbradio.org/handyman.html>http://acbradio.org/handyman.html >> >> >> > or >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/>ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbra >> >> dio-archives/handyman/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday>http://www.acbradio.o >> >> rg/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml>http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingind >> >> ark/main.xml >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From >> >> >> > Various >> >> >> > List Members At The Following address: >> >> >> > <http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/>http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Visit the new archives page at the following address >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>http://www.mail-arch >> >> ive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind >> >> >> > Handy >> >> >> > Man >> >> >> > list just send a blank message to: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > Yahoo! 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