Oh good! That does help a lot. I see that there are several manufacturers who have them, I just haven't ever seen one on display.
Again thank you very much. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? > Looking at the profile or cross section view of the long edge of a > 3/4-inch thick board, the edge drops down at a 90-degree angle from the > face and the drop down is about 1/4-inch. From there the edge angles about > 60-degrees inwards for a distance of about 1/8-inch, then it angles > straight down again for about 1/16th inch or so then angles about > 60-degrees back out towards the face of the edge. At the edge it drops > down at 90-degrees for about 1/16-inch then angles back inwards about > 60-degrees for about 1/8-inch and from there it drops down straight for > about the last 1/4-inch of thickness of the board. The mating piece is the > mirror image of this cut. > > Hope that helps. Essentially, the cut is a zig-zag except that there are > small flats where the zig turns into the zag. Well if that last sentence > doesn't confuse you I don't know what will. > > -- > Larry Martin > Woodworking for the Blind > --joining the world of blind wood workers > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Can you describe the profile of a reverse glue joint router bit? >> >> I can probably get a description elsewhere if necessary and pass it on. >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:54 PM >> Subject: Re: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> > Tongue and groove joints: >> > >> > The Woodcraft catalog carries a CMT Tongue and Groove Router Bit Set. >> > Item >> > number 820275 for $88.70. The write-up says: make tongue and groove >> > joints >> > without the complicated process of taking apartr and reassembling bits. >> > With the CMT Tongue and Groove Set one bit routs the slot and a second >> > mills the tongue. Makes tongue and groove cuts in wood up to 3/4 inch >> > thick, 1/2 inch shank, carbide tipped, for router table use only." >> > >> > The catalog also carries a CMT Reverse Glue Joint Router Bit, item >> > number >> > 820316 for $86.40. The write-up reads "Produces an almost >> > indestructible >> > glue joint quickly and accurately. Ideal for joing wide panels, doors >> > and >> > furniture parts. By accurately centering the bit in the wood, the upper >> > and lower vertical cutting edges of the bit will cut equal proportions. >> > Simply run one edge of the panel, turn the panel over, and then run the >> > opposite edge. You will produce perfectly matched reverse cuts that >> > form >> > flawless joints. Stock thickness 19/31-inch to 1 and 3/16-inch." >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Martin >> > Woodworking for the Blind >> > --joining the world of blind wood workers >> > >> > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> There is the "bow-tie" joinery method too. This too uses a special >> >> cutter >> >> which forms two flared cuts usually used on the under side of boards. >> >> a >> >> bow-tie shaped bit of wood is then tapped into the voids cut and >> >> because >> >> of >> >> the tapered shape tapping it down pulls the edges together. >> >> >> >> I haven't used or even seen one up close and dirty. >> >> >> >> At one time they used to sell tongue & groove router bit sets, I >> >> haven't >> >> seen one in several years though, wonder if they are still around. >> >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Skype DaleLeavens >> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> >> Cc: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:27 AM >> >> Subject: Re: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Biscuits are a good alternative when edge joining boards >> >> > particul,arly >> >> > because they help align the boards so that the edge seam fits very >> >> > closely. The biscuits also provide added strength to the joint >> >> > because >> >> > they increase the area of gluer surface but usually that added >> >> > strength >> >> > isn't needed. The area along the edges of the boards usually >> >> > provides >> >> > sufficient glue area. >> >> > >> >> > There's a new tool that's being introduced in a month or so from >> >> > Festool >> >> > called the Domino which will cut biscuits shaped like smaller >> >> > mortises. >> >> > The mortises are cut because the cutterhead oscillates to produce >> >> > the >> >> > deeper straight cut of the mortise. The Domino comes with precut >> >> > strips >> >> > of >> >> > wood that serve as floating tenons and which are sized to fit those >> >> > mortises exactly. The tool appears to be a fabulous improvement and >> >> > is >> >> > one >> >> > of the few really new and imaginative concepts, but, unfortunately, >> >> > it's >> >> > very expensive. The tool with one cutterhead is projected to cost >> >> > $700 >> >> > and >> >> > an additional $200 to buy different sized cutterheads. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Larry Martin >> >> > Woodworking for the Blind >> >> > --joining the world of blind wood workers >> >> > >> >> > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> >> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> I don't know that they are particularly better however they are a >> >> >> little >> >> >> more forgiving. >> >> >> >> >> >> The cutter is a blade maybe 3 16th wide which pushes out through a >> >> >> slot >> >> >> into >> >> >> the edge of the boards to be joined. There are a few sizes so you >> >> >> can >> >> >> adjust >> >> >> the depth of cut and it cuts an arc shape. There is something of a >> >> >> fence >> >> >> which can be adjusted to set the distance up or down so the faces >> >> >> line >> >> >> up. >> >> >> This fence can be hinged up or down to form an angle which permits >> >> >> you >> >> >> to >> >> >> use them to join boards on angles. >> >> >> >> >> >> If I need I lay my boards up then stick tape across the joint at >> >> >> intervals >> >> >> then cut the tape with a sharp blade using the edge of the tape as >> >> >> a >> >> >> point >> >> >> to line up the cutter index mark on. I find this much quicker and >> >> >> more >> >> >> accurate than fiddling with dowel jigging and absolutely vertical >> >> >> holes >> >> >> but >> >> >> then I am a bit on the lazy side. >> >> >> >> >> >> For an outdoor project like that though it isn't usually good to >> >> >> use >> >> >> wide >> >> >> boards laminated or otherwise because of the widely changing >> >> >> climatic >> >> >> conditions. Even a very small gap will permit movement of the >> >> >> boards. >> >> >> >> >> >> Certainly I do use biscuits for outdoor joinery with water >> >> >> resistant >> >> >> glue, I >> >> >> have many edging beds here made of a 2 by 8 pressure treated board >> >> >> with a >> >> >> 2 >> >> >> by 6 on edge to form a nice boarder for mowing the lawn, keeps the >> >> >> trimming >> >> >> down and produces a slight raised bed and helps keep blind feet out >> >> >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> gardens.In this application though the boards can swell out in >> >> >> opposite >> >> >> directions away from the joinery. I also used good long screws when >> >> >> I >> >> >> discovered that even good exterior glue isn't fail safe. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Skype DaleLeavens >> >> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "John Schwery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:35 PM >> >> >> Subject: biscuits, was: Re: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dale, thanks. I have never worked with biscuits as I don't have >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > cutter. Are these better than dowels and are they hard to use? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > earlier, Dale Leavens, wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Hi John, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I think I would just screw the planks together from underneath >> >> >> >>with >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >>transverse boards you intend to attach the folding legs to. I >> >> >> >>would >> >> >> >>also >> >> >> >>leave a very small gap between the planks to allow for movement >> >> >> >>in >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >>wood >> >> >> >>in the outdoor environment. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>If you do intend to laminate them together on the edges you need >> >> >> >>very >> >> >> >>good >> >> >> >>edges, true and straight It doesn't matter much which joining >> >> >> >>method >> >> >> >>you >> >> >> >>use >> >> >> >>though, I would probably use biscuits since I have a cutter >> >> >> >>however >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >>wider you form a board the more it will want to expand width >> >> >> >>wise. >> >> >> >>If >> >> >> >>you >> >> >> >>do >> >> >> >>this you will also want to elongate the screws holes that hold >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >>transverse pieces to the table top so they can slide a little to >> >> >> >>allow >> >> >> >>for >> >> >> >>movement in that wide panel otherwise it will either crack or cup >> >> >> >>or >> >> >> >>probably both. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hope this gives you some ideas. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> >> >> >><mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>Skype DaleLeavens >> >> >> >>Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear >> >> >> >>habitat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >>From: "John Schwery" >> >> >> >><<mailto:jschwery%40runbox.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >>To: >> >> >> >><<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> >> >> >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:40 PM >> >> >> >>Subject: [BlindHandyMan] outdoor folding table? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I would like your ideas on a folding table. I want to make a >> >> >> >> >folding >> >> >> >> > table for a sort of outdoor work bench. I bought the legs from >> >> >> >> > harbor Freight. They are similar to what you might see on >> >> >> >> > tables >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > church and school meals. I thought of making the top from 1 by >> >> >> >> > 12 >> >> >> >> > wood, about 5 feet long and 2 feet wide, with a cross piece >> >> >> >> > under >> >> >> >> > each end to support the 2 vertical pieces and for fastening >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > legs. What sort of joint would be best for vertical boards, 2 >> >> >> >> > 1 >> >> >> >> > by 5 >> >> >> >> > pieces joined side by side? Should I use dowels, tongue and >> >> >> >> > groove >> >> >> >> > or something else? If I use tongue and groove, what should be >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > width of the tongue? Will I need any cross pieces in the >> >> >> >> > middle? About the heaviest thing I might have on it would be >> >> >> >> > my >> >> >> >> > router table and router. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > John >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >> >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> >> >> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release >> >> >> >> > Date: >> >> >> >> > 2/14/2007 >> >> >> >> > 4:17 PM >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > To listen to the show archives go to link >> >> >> >> > <http://acbradio.org/handyman.html>http://acbradio.org/handyman.html >> >> >> >> > or >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/>ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbra >> >> >> dio-archives/handyman/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday>http://www.acbradio.o >> >> >> rg/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml>http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingind >> >> >> ark/main.xml >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions >> >> >> >> > From >> >> >> >> > Various >> >> >> >> > List Members At The Following address: >> >> >> >> > >> <http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/>http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Visit the new archives page at the following address >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>http://www.mail-arch >> >> >> ive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> >> > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind >> >> >> >> > Handy >> >> >> >> > Man >> >> >> >> > list just send a blank message to: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > Yahoo! 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