Go for it, tiger --- or should I say Go for it like a Polar Bear?
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Larry Martin
Woodworking for the Blind
--joining the world of blind wood workers
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, well my fence sticks out probably over four inches so using that for a
> reference wouldn't be good except for sheet goods. With it folded up flat
> though and using the base along a flat surface would allow milling narrower
> stock. Because I have the tools though I think i would sooner use a slot
> cutting bit on the router table for say cutting a groove around a sheet of
> plywood then cutting a tongue on surrounding edge pieces except that it is
> easier and much quicker to just use biscuits as intended.
>
> Many years ago I saw Norm Abrams use a bench biscuit joiner. I don't know
> just how it worked as I can't see but he seemed to have a bench arrangement
> with a fence and the cutter came up from the bottom when he stepped on a
> pedal. I am not aware that he has used that in several years but I thought
> it might be an interesting insert to build for my router table should I ever
> need to do a lot of biscuit joining. I have not seen such a device since.
>
> It is really getting on my t*its that here I have all this time on my hands
> and there my shop sits as it was left a month ago. I can't believe that the
> Hospital just called "to check on me" with a thought to modified work!
>
> Sure, the blind guy can do the photocopying and filing. The beggars wouldn't
> let me near their shop of course. She implied that I would have to use my
> vacation time for the trip we are taking next week. One more crack like that
> and I will be exploring the possibilities of total disability and they can
> start my pension early. Then we will see how much time I can put in my
> workshop!
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
>
>
> > p.s. using a biscuit joiner to cut a running groove in a workpiece never
> > crossed my mind either and strikes me as both difficult and dangerous.
> > Keeping the workpiece tightly clamped down would seem to be a significant
> > problem.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Martin
> > Woodworking for the Blind
> > --joining the world of blind wood workers
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Thanks Larry,
> >>
> >> I only hope I didn't leave anything significant out.
> >>
> >> I was surprised to read in one of the magazines you sent along a use of
> >> the
> >> biscuit joiner to cut grooves by sliding the unit along while running. It
> >> never crossed my mind to do so but it is a quick and should be accurate
> >> way
> >> of cutting for splines and probably even the grooves to receive drawer
> >> bottoms and other applications.
> >>
> >> Mine is a porter cable which I have had for four or five years now, it
> >> includes a small cutter for #0 biscuits which I have used for mitering
> >> frames corners. It means changing the cutter blade but pretty cool.
> >>
> >> I read another article or rather you did but the builder used it to
> >> assemble
> >> drawer boxes. quick and strong if not classic joinery. For a lot of
> >> applications though this is exactly the answer, strong, accurate and
> >> fast.
> >>
> >> Any time that list members feel I may be over stepping they should feel
> >> free
> >> to say so. I often put quite a bit of effort into writing what I think is
> >> a
> >> clear explanation or description of things I have done or have observed
> >> and
> >> I do so because I am grateful for others who have taken the trouble to
> >> inform me. It is difficult for most of us blind people to learn from
> >> observation and sometimes it is just a very simple concept or
> >> understanding
> >> which, if missed can become a block to building more learning or
> >> understanding. This is not unique to the blind but we have fewer
> >> opportunities. I just hope to speed the process for others as others have
> >> for me.
> >>
> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Skype DaleLeavens
> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:39 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dale, that was a thorough and well written response on biscuit joiners.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Larry Martin
> >> > Woodworking for the Blind
> >> > --joining the world of blind wood workers
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Max, it wasn't a router he was using although there are router bits
> >> >> for
> >> >> cutting biscuit slots, he was using a specific tool called a biscuit
> >> >> joiner
> >> >> or also called a plate joiner.
> >> >>
> >> >> You purchase the biscuits which are actually elongated ovals made of
> >> >> dry
> >> >> and
> >> >> compressed beach wood. They swell when glue is applied. They come in
> >> >> about
> >> >> four sizes.
> >> >>
> >> >> The biscuit does fit or should fit pretty well half way into the slot
> >> >> on
> >> >> one
> >> >> side how ever it might have looked to you. As for strength, dowels and
> >> >> biscuits are not primarily for strengthening although they do that.
> >> >> The
> >> >> primary function is to align the joint in most applications. Dowels
> >> >> suffer
> >> >> from the direction of the grain which is usually across the grain of
> >> >> the
> >> >> mating surfaces and glue more firmly attaches in the long direction of
> >> >> the
> >> >> grain. The other main disadvantage of dowels is that accuracy is
> >> >> absolutely
> >> >> critical, not only must the holes align absolutely directly but they
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> absolutely in line. Biscuit joinery allows for a little error.
> >> >>
> >> >> The plate joiner has a carbide tipped blade which is on a spring
> >> >> loaded
> >> >> travel. There is a fence, these vary from machine to machine but you
> >> >> can
> >> >> set
> >> >> the fence a particular distance from the slot through which the blade
> >> >> will
> >> >> protrude and will be parallel to the slot. Most will allow the fence
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> tilted in both directions to allow you to cut slots in mitered
> >> >> assemblies
> >> >> and other angled fixation of differing angles. You can index off the
> >> >> fence
> >> >> or index off the bottom flat surface of the joiner.
> >> >>
> >> >> You then set the fence on the face of a board and bring the face with
> >> >> the
> >> >> slot tight against the edge of the board holding it there using a
> >> >> handle
> >> >> built for that purpose then turn on the machine and using the other
> >> >> hand
> >> >> you
> >> >> force the cutter through the slot and into the edge against the
> >> >> springs
> >> >> which plunges the blade into the edge of the board. Release so it runs
> >> >> back
> >> >> out with the spring assist then release the trigger so it shuts off.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I built my work bench I made up a frame rather like the shape of
> >> >> angle
> >> >> iron using three quarters plywood one edge to the face of the other
> >> >> and
> >> >> joined those with biscuits. I then mitered the corners and joined them
> >> >> with
> >> >> biscuits and clamped them up square. I might have used screws but I
> >> >> never
> >> >> would have got the corners strong that way and doweling the edges of
> >> >> plywood
> >> >> isn't all that satisfactory or probably reliable.
> >> >>
> >> >> when the biscuits get wet with glue not only does the glue bond but
> >> >> they
> >> >> swell and actually if you don't work fairly quickly they can be very
> >> >> difficult to set. This can be a disat\dvantage, Norm has mentioned on
> >> >> a
> >> >> couple of shows that biscuits set too close to the surface can cause
> >> >> slight
> >> >> dimpling to telegraph through the surface as the glue ages and I
> >> >> suppose
> >> >> the
> >> >> wood responds to changes in environmental moisture. On a very smooth
> >> >> finish
> >> >> this can be visible. So far I haven't noticed this.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is a new unit out there, called a domino joiner I believe, cuts
> >> >> a
> >> >> more
> >> >> rectangular hole and uses rectangular biscuits and an oscilating
> >> >> cutting
> >> >> action. These work more like floating mortise & tennon joints. I am
> >> >> not
> >> >> otherwise sure of the advantages, if they index easily enough I
> >> >> suppose
> >> >> you
> >> >> could use them to join rails & styles without cutting proper mortise &
> >> >> tenon
> >> >> joints. The biscuit joiners are plenty expensive but these domino
> >> >> joiners
> >> >> are really a lot more costly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Generally the correct term is Jointer. The machine is also sometimes
> >> >> called
> >> >> a planer but more usually that refers to a device for thicknessing the
> >> >> face
> >> >> of wood or for the hand held planers more usually with a 3 inch wide
> >> >> cutter
> >> >> head intended primarily for removing stock like the edge of a door.
> >> >> Joiner
> >> >> is sometimes used to refer to a jointer and I hear it more commonly
> >> >> used
> >> >> these days but the manufacturers still seem to refer to them as
> >> >> jointers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> Skype DaleLeavens
> >> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Blind Handyman" <[email protected]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:36 PM
> >> >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have watched only one episode of the Yankee workshop and already I
> >> >> >have
> >> >> > questions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He did a bisket joint. They didn't show him making the bisket. Do
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > buy
> >> >> > them pre made? It was elliptical in shape which seems hard to make.
> >> >> > He
> >> >> > made the cutout with a plunge router which looked like he was making
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > basically rectangular shaped cutout. When he dropped the bisket
> >> >> > into
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > cutout it didn't fit at all tight. Also it went in more than half
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > width
> >> >> > of the bisket. There was just a little peaking out. All in all
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > doesn't seem like a very strong joint. In an infomercial I saw
> >> >> > someone
> >> >> > making a dowel joint. It seems to me to be a much stronger joint.
> >> >> > How
> >> >> > does
> >> >> > a bisket joint compare to a dowel joint. Also I'm not sure but I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > was using some kind of guide to keep the router in the center of the
> >> >> > edge
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > the board. If there is such a thing, what is it called?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also a pronunciation question. Dale and I had a conversation the
> >> >> > other
> >> >> > night on FTP about a jointer. The yankee used one on the show but
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > pronounced it joiner. Which is correct? Does it depend on where
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > come
> >> >> > from?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Max. K 4 O D S.
> >> >> >
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