That's possibly the origin of the term biscuit altho the original Lamello Plate
Joiner came from the Swiss.
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Larry Martin
Woodworking for the Blind
--joining the world of blind wood workers
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From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks for clearing that up. He only has half an hour and has to go pretty
> fast. That doesn't give much time to explain things. Also he probably
> assumes that people have been watching for a long time and he explained that
> in 1990 so there's no need to do it again.
>
> Come to think of a couple of things, the bisket looked somewhat like a
> cookie. What we in the U S call a cookie is a bisket to the bloody brits.
> Is that where the name comes from?
>
> Regards.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
>
>
> > Max, it wasn't a router he was using although there are router bits for
> > cutting biscuit slots, he was using a specific tool called a biscuit
> > joiner
> > or also called a plate joiner.
> >
> > You purchase the biscuits which are actually elongated ovals made of dry
> > and
> > compressed beach wood. They swell when glue is applied. They come in about
> > four sizes.
> >
> > The biscuit does fit or should fit pretty well half way into the slot on
> > one
> > side how ever it might have looked to you. As for strength, dowels and
> > biscuits are not primarily for strengthening although they do that. The
> > primary function is to align the joint in most applications. Dowels suffer
> > from the direction of the grain which is usually across the grain of the
> > mating surfaces and glue more firmly attaches in the long direction of the
> > grain. The other main disadvantage of dowels is that accuracy is
> > absolutely
> > critical, not only must the holes align absolutely directly but they must
> > be
> > absolutely in line. Biscuit joinery allows for a little error.
> >
> > The plate joiner has a carbide tipped blade which is on a spring loaded
> > travel. There is a fence, these vary from machine to machine but you can
> > set
> > the fence a particular distance from the slot through which the blade will
> > protrude and will be parallel to the slot. Most will allow the fence to be
> > tilted in both directions to allow you to cut slots in mitered assemblies
> > and other angled fixation of differing angles. You can index off the fence
> > or index off the bottom flat surface of the joiner.
> >
> > You then set the fence on the face of a board and bring the face with the
> > slot tight against the edge of the board holding it there using a handle
> > built for that purpose then turn on the machine and using the other hand
> > you
> > force the cutter through the slot and into the edge against the springs
> > which plunges the blade into the edge of the board. Release so it runs
> > back
> > out with the spring assist then release the trigger so it shuts off.
> >
> > When I built my work bench I made up a frame rather like the shape of
> > angle
> > iron using three quarters plywood one edge to the face of the other and
> > joined those with biscuits. I then mitered the corners and joined them
> > with
> > biscuits and clamped them up square. I might have used screws but I never
> > would have got the corners strong that way and doweling the edges of
> > plywood
> > isn't all that satisfactory or probably reliable.
> >
> > when the biscuits get wet with glue not only does the glue bond but they
> > swell and actually if you don't work fairly quickly they can be very
> > difficult to set. This can be a disat\dvantage, Norm has mentioned on a
> > couple of shows that biscuits set too close to the surface can cause
> > slight
> > dimpling to telegraph through the surface as the glue ages and I suppose
> > the
> > wood responds to changes in environmental moisture. On a very smooth
> > finish
> > this can be visible. So far I haven't noticed this.
> >
> > There is a new unit out there, called a domino joiner I believe, cuts a
> > more
> > rectangular hole and uses rectangular biscuits and an oscilating cutting
> > action. These work more like floating mortise & tennon joints. I am not
> > otherwise sure of the advantages, if they index easily enough I suppose
> > you
> > could use them to join rails & styles without cutting proper mortise &
> > tenon
> > joints. The biscuit joiners are plenty expensive but these domino joiners
> > are really a lot more costly.
> >
> > Generally the correct term is Jointer. The machine is also sometimes
> > called
> > a planer but more usually that refers to a device for thicknessing the
> > face
> > of wood or for the hand held planers more usually with a 3 inch wide
> > cutter
> > head intended primarily for removing stock like the edge of a door. Joiner
> > is sometimes used to refer to a jointer and I hear it more commonly used
> > these days but the manufacturers still seem to refer to them as jointers.
> >
> > Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Blind Handyman" <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:36 PM
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
> >
> >
> >>I have watched only one episode of the Yankee workshop and already I have
> >> questions.
> >>
> >> He did a bisket joint. They didn't show him making the bisket. Do you
> >> buy
> >> them pre made? It was elliptical in shape which seems hard to make. He
> >> made the cutout with a plunge router which looked like he was making a
> >> basically rectangular shaped cutout. When he dropped the bisket into the
> >> cutout it didn't fit at all tight. Also it went in more than half the
> >> width
> >> of the bisket. There was just a little peaking out. All in all this
> >> doesn't seem like a very strong joint. In an infomercial I saw someone
> >> making a dowel joint. It seems to me to be a much stronger joint. How
> >> does
> >> a bisket joint compare to a dowel joint. Also I'm not sure but I think
> >> he
> >> was using some kind of guide to keep the router in the center of the edge
> >> of
> >> the board. If there is such a thing, what is it called?
> >>
> >> Also a pronunciation question. Dale and I had a conversation the other
> >> night on FTP about a jointer. The yankee used one on the show but he
> >> pronounced it joiner. Which is correct? Does it depend on where you
> >> come
> >> from?
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> Max. K 4 O D S.
> >>
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