What I was doing was to cut out an opening and then take the cutout piece and put it back in the hole to use as a door. I guess the best thing to do is to practice on some scrap wood. Should have done that first.
Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Aligning small hinges. > Hi Max, > > What I do is open the hinge and turn the hinge around and fit the blade > against the edge I will attach it to sliding it back until the fold for > the > hinge pin is against the face of the door. I then mark the holes so that > when the hinge is turned the right way they line up true to the face of > the > door. Some hinges will allow you to do this the right way up as well. > > For spacing, sometimes it is just as easy to make a little block to form > the > distance between the edge of the door and the hinge which can be used at > either end to space them equally. You will have to allow the distance for > the crack between the door and the wall, you can guess or use a fold or > two > of cardboard to account for that extra distance. Even with care I > sometimes > have trouble getting them right on, particularly small hinges. I tend to > go > for piano hinge and cut to length for that reason, you get a good long > line > to judge and index off of and if you like you can easily form a shallow > rabbet to countersink the hinge into with a perfectly straight and > parallel > lip to but the long edge of the hinge leaf against. > > If you are surface mounting then again I suggest opening the hinge and > turning it face down with the pin sleeve as the spacer and marking holes > before turning it right side up and mounting. > > Hope I described that adequately, not sure I really understood it. > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype DaleLeavens > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Aligning small hinges. > > >>I have a question about aligning small hinges. My radio desk is finished >> except for applying the finishing coat. It will sit in front of an H V A >> C >> vent so I made a cutout in the back for the air to come through. I don't >> want the cold air to blow on me when I am sitting there so I saved the >> cutout peace and hinged it to make a trap door I can close when I want >> to. >> I couldn't get the hinges aligned right. They are close enough but I >> wonder >> if anyone has any little tricks. It is inside and the space is too >> confined to get a carpenter's square inside and the hinges are too far >> from >> the end wall for a trisquare to reach. This is done and it's not very >> obvious to someone who sees the desk but if I ever have to do this again >> I >> would like to get it right. >> >> Regards. >> >> Max. K 4 O D S. >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net >> Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net >> Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com >> >> To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions. >> >> >>> Thanks Larry, >>> >>> I only hope I didn't leave anything significant out. >>> >>> I was surprised to read in one of the magazines you sent along a use of >>> the >>> biscuit joiner to cut grooves by sliding the unit along while running. >>> It >>> never crossed my mind to do so but it is a quick and should be accurate >>> way >>> of cutting for splines and probably even the grooves to receive drawer >>> bottoms and other applications. >>> >>> Mine is a porter cable which I have had for four or five years now, it >>> includes a small cutter for #0 biscuits which I have used for mitering >>> frames corners. It means changing the cutter blade but pretty cool. >>> >>> I read another article or rather you did but the builder used it to >>> assemble >>> drawer boxes. quick and strong if not classic joinery. For a lot of >>> applications though this is exactly the answer, strong, accurate and >>> fast. >>> >>> Any time that list members feel I may be over stepping they should feel >>> free >>> to say so. I often put quite a bit of effort into writing what I think >>> is >>> a >>> clear explanation or description of things I have done or have observed >>> and >>> I do so because I am grateful for others who have taken the trouble to >>> inform me. It is difficult for most of us blind people to learn from >>> observation and sometimes it is just a very simple concept or >>> understanding >>> which, if missed can become a block to building more learning or >>> understanding. This is not unique to the blind but we have fewer >>> opportunities. I just hope to speed the process for others as others >>> have >>> for me. >>> >>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Skype DaleLeavens >>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions. >>> >>> >>>> Dale, that was a thorough and well written response on biscuit joiners. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Larry Martin >>>> Woodworking for the Blind >>>> --joining the world of blind wood workers >>>> >>>> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >>>> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Max, it wasn't a router he was using although there are router bits >>>>> for >>>>> cutting biscuit slots, he was using a specific tool called a biscuit >>>>> joiner >>>>> or also called a plate joiner. >>>>> >>>>> You purchase the biscuits which are actually elongated ovals made of >>>>> dry >>>>> and >>>>> compressed beach wood. They swell when glue is applied. They come in >>>>> about >>>>> four sizes. >>>>> >>>>> The biscuit does fit or should fit pretty well half way into the slot >>>>> on >>>>> one >>>>> side how ever it might have looked to you. As for strength, dowels and >>>>> biscuits are not primarily for strengthening although they do that. >>>>> The >>>>> primary function is to align the joint in most applications. Dowels >>>>> suffer >>>>> from the direction of the grain which is usually across the grain of >>>>> the >>>>> mating surfaces and glue more firmly attaches in the long direction of >>>>> the >>>>> grain. The other main disadvantage of dowels is that accuracy is >>>>> absolutely >>>>> critical, not only must the holes align absolutely directly but they >>>>> must >>>>> be >>>>> absolutely in line. Biscuit joinery allows for a little error. >>>>> >>>>> The plate joiner has a carbide tipped blade which is on a spring >>>>> loaded >>>>> travel. There is a fence, these vary from machine to machine but you >>>>> can >>>>> set >>>>> the fence a particular distance from the slot through which the blade >>>>> will >>>>> protrude and will be parallel to the slot. Most will allow the fence >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> tilted in both directions to allow you to cut slots in mitered >>>>> assemblies >>>>> and other angled fixation of differing angles. You can index off the >>>>> fence >>>>> or index off the bottom flat surface of the joiner. >>>>> >>>>> You then set the fence on the face of a board and bring the face with >>>>> the >>>>> slot tight against the edge of the board holding it there using a >>>>> handle >>>>> built for that purpose then turn on the machine and using the other >>>>> hand >>>>> you >>>>> force the cutter through the slot and into the edge against the >>>>> springs >>>>> which plunges the blade into the edge of the board. Release so it runs >>>>> back >>>>> out with the spring assist then release the trigger so it shuts off. >>>>> >>>>> When I built my work bench I made up a frame rather like the shape of >>>>> angle >>>>> iron using three quarters plywood one edge to the face of the other >>>>> and >>>>> joined those with biscuits. I then mitered the corners and joined them >>>>> with >>>>> biscuits and clamped them up square. I might have used screws but I >>>>> never >>>>> would have got the corners strong that way and doweling the edges of >>>>> plywood >>>>> isn't all that satisfactory or probably reliable. >>>>> >>>>> when the biscuits get wet with glue not only does the glue bond but >>>>> they >>>>> swell and actually if you don't work fairly quickly they can be very >>>>> difficult to set. This can be a disat\dvantage, Norm has mentioned on >>>>> a >>>>> couple of shows that biscuits set too close to the surface can cause >>>>> slight >>>>> dimpling to telegraph through the surface as the glue ages and I >>>>> suppose >>>>> the >>>>> wood responds to changes in environmental moisture. On a very smooth >>>>> finish >>>>> this can be visible. So far I haven't noticed this. >>>>> >>>>> There is a new unit out there, called a domino joiner I believe, cuts >>>>> a >>>>> more >>>>> rectangular hole and uses rectangular biscuits and an oscilating >>>>> cutting >>>>> action. These work more like floating mortise & tennon joints. I am >>>>> not >>>>> otherwise sure of the advantages, if they index easily enough I >>>>> suppose >>>>> you >>>>> could use them to join rails & styles without cutting proper mortise & >>>>> tenon >>>>> joints. The biscuit joiners are plenty expensive but these domino >>>>> joiners >>>>> are really a lot more costly. >>>>> >>>>> Generally the correct term is Jointer. The machine is also sometimes >>>>> called >>>>> a planer but more usually that refers to a device for thicknessing the >>>>> face >>>>> of wood or for the hand held planers more usually with a 3 inch wide >>>>> cutter >>>>> head intended primarily for removing stock like the edge of a door. >>>>> Joiner >>>>> is sometimes used to refer to a jointer and I hear it more commonly >>>>> used >>>>> these days but the manufacturers still seem to refer to them as >>>>> jointers. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps clear things up for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Skype DaleLeavens >>>>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "Blind Handyman" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:36 PM >>>>> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >I have watched only one episode of the Yankee workshop and already I >>>>> >have >>>>> > questions. >>>>> > >>>>> > He did a bisket joint. They didn't show him making the bisket. Do >>>>> > you >>>>> > buy >>>>> > them pre made? It was elliptical in shape which seems hard to make. >>>>> > He >>>>> > made the cutout with a plunge router which looked like he was making >>>>> > a >>>>> > basically rectangular shaped cutout. When he dropped the bisket >>>>> > into >>>>> > the >>>>> > cutout it didn't fit at all tight. Also it went in more than half >>>>> > the >>>>> > width >>>>> > of the bisket. There was just a little peaking out. All in all >>>>> > this >>>>> > doesn't seem like a very strong joint. In an infomercial I saw >>>>> > someone >>>>> > making a dowel joint. It seems to me to be a much stronger joint. >>>>> > How >>>>> > does >>>>> > a bisket joint compare to a dowel joint. Also I'm not sure but I >>>>> > think >>>>> > he >>>>> > was using some kind of guide to keep the router in the center of the >>>>> > edge >>>>> > of >>>>> > the board. If there is such a thing, what is it called? >>>>> > >>>>> > Also a pronunciation question. Dale and I had a conversation the >>>>> > other >>>>> > night on FTP about a jointer. The yankee used one on the show but >>>>> > he >>>>> > pronounced it joiner. Which is correct? Does it depend on where >>>>> > you >>>>> > come >>>>> > from? >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards. >>>>> > >>>>> > Max. 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