I am in San Clemente, in the republic of Southern California.  I have a
sleeping disorder and sleep only two or three hours a day.  And since I am
totally blind, my body clock is out of whack as well.  So that is why my
replies are at odd hours.
I recognize that there are problems with voice recognition.  Some equipment
I have work quite well with voice recognition while some other equipment is
as good as speaking a foreign language to a deaf mute.  Still, I feel voice
recognition for GPS is not that far off.  Not only for my purpose but for
drivers as well.  No one wants to program a GPS while driving.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder update link

Jim,

Out of curiosity, where are you located?

I see that my message to you is stamped 6:32 a.m. It left here more like
9:32 a.m.

I am not so sure that voice recognition is quite ready. I have my house
phone number as "home" but my phone recognizes it about half of the time. I
feel somewhat silly arguing with my damn phone in the Hospital parking lot
as I leave work. It can be quicker to punch the stick a couple of times to
get the number and dial it up.

I am pretty sure WayFinder can do what I want and I am pleased about the
small size. As it is I carry a computer bag with my notebook in it, a spare
battery and power supply, usually some paperwork in the folder compartment,
keys and sundry other things in the front pocket, already my mobile phone
pouch is slung from the shoulder strap. My coat pockets are full of mitts
and a ski band to protect my ears from the cold and a tissue or two to wipe
away the dripping nose. There is a wallet and check book in the inside
pocket and when not in use my cane has to go somewhere. The computer bag
already weighs just around 15 pounds The Holux 240 GPS receiver truly is
about the size of a match box or zippo lighter for those used to such
smokers paraphernalia, very manageable. When traveling or on vacation I
usually carry what I call my purse, a small bag suitable to carry my cane,
passport, tickets and such, somehow it always seems to fill up. It is the
portability and multi-use of the phone platform I like.If I am organized
enough I can copy talking books and magazines onto memory cards which take
up all most no room and slip into the phone and don't require additional
equipment and less power supplies and chargers to carry around.

What is wanted now is concurrent applications so I can monitor a bus trip
for example while listening to a talking book.

I think I will have to investigate bluetooth hearing of some sort. I don't
think I want something in my ear but I probably need something stuck in the
collar of my parka or something so I don't have to have the phone out in the
open in the winter. Even if I can keep it in my left mitt where I can
manipulate the menu buttons and joy stick that might be better. My best
mitts are sheepskin lined with the fleece but telephone sound doesn't escape
from that well unless the volume is really high.

So, if anyone has experience of bluetooth listening without oblitterating
environmental listening I would be very interested to hear about it.

Thanks.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> 
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: tunecollector 
To: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder update link

Thanks Dale for this info. I am still sitting on the fence on whether to
get Wayfinder or Trekker. At this time, neither has convinced that it is
the solution. I guess I am waiting for a GPS that operates by coice
recognition. Somehow, I think keying in the info is too cumbersome.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:32 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder update link

Hi, Sorry I just can't remember your actual name just now.

I bought WayFinder Access just before Christmas. Yesterday I figured out how
to properly input a destination and I had it walk me to work and home again.
While it knew the technical address for the hospital and even the new
corporate name but the street address is a large area and WayFinder seemed
to want to take me to the location of the old hospital several hundred yards
distant. Further, it wants to take me on a zig-zag route and not the more
direct one.

Walking back from work it wants to take me a similar route. So far though it
seems to be pretty accurate. The initial estimated distance seems to me to
be a little short. When I first turn onto 6th street it tells me two hundred
metres to my final turn. About two hundred metres later it again informs me
of 200 metres to my next turn then reminds me at about a hundred metres, 50
metres, 25 metres then pretty well right on the intersection it tells me to
turn here.

It told me I had reached my destination about 3 metres short of my driveway,
pretty good really.

So far I haven't figured out how to lay down my own route and I would like
to be able to lay down a preferred route in advance of a trip. I have a
message into their assistance but so far no response.

I find the documentation to be weak. There is a lot of general detail about
what you can do but a little soft on just how to do it. I assume I can add
points of interest or give names to addresses, the name of my hardware store
or barber shop instead of a street address or to replace the names of
businesses which have disappeared.

The other thing is the cost of operation. While in Europe where GPRS is
widely available and there are several operators offering it, here only
Rogers/Fido have wide digital coverage and they charge a lot for packet data
service. It is generally a bit better in the United States. This is one
reason why Apple isn't releasing their IPhone here, another reason is that
there is already a Canadian company with rights to the term IPhone for an IP
phone device. I don't yet fully understand but it seems that WayFinder goes
to the network to calculate a route every time and if you deviate off of the
route it also goes back to the network to recalculate. I don't know why that
can't be saved on the phone these new phones can hold GIGs of memory on
card. Maybe it can, there is absolutely no reference to it in any of the
documentation I have so far been able to access.

I haven't yet really calculated the costings I think it was a bit over two
bucks on my walk to work yesterday about a 15 minute walk.

So far another problem is keying in an address. You have to turn on the GPS
receiver first and make that connection when you open WayFinder. Then you
can enter the address but the GPS receiver won't usually acquire satellite
signal until you are outdoors when you can then initiate the find and route
instructions. We haven't had 40 below yet but even at 20 below or warmer
with a wind you don't want to be trying to thumb in any addresses.

The receiver and the phone both seem to work fairly well in the breast
pocket of my parka though. I haven't discovered though if there is a way to
get the phone to repeat an instruction if you miss it for any reason.

I'll try to keep you informed as I become more capable with the unit. I did
try to subscribe to the WayFinder e-mail list but did not succeed, I'll try
to find that link again, probably other users will be more helpful. If
anyone has that subscription information I would be pleased to have it.

Thanks.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>  <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> 
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: tunecollector 
To: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder update link

The link below is to the Wayfinder site with an update on its package and
pricing.

http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784 <http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784>
<http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784 <http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784> > 
<http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784&lang=en-US
<http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784&lang=en-US> 
<http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784&lang=en-US
<http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3784&lang=en-US> > > &lang=en-US

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