It's true, fire's a scarey sound. I got burned out in an arson fire in 1989. this was in a highrise where a transvestite janitor became infuriated because the manager wouldn't sleep with him/her and poured about five gallons of a salvent in his apartment which was directly above mine and lit it off after disabling all the smoke alarms. I was gone at the time of ignition, but it was still burning when I got home. the fire itself was bad enough, but even the water and other suppression methods being used were unnervingly noisey. All the more reason to do as Tom has I guess, and at least get some basic training and familiarity.
Bill Stephan, Kansas City MO Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (816)803-2469 -original message- Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat From: Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 12/04/2008 14:22 I had contents of a big plastic trash can go up once. I dragged it to the sink and dumped water into it. But the side melted out and the water escaped. I dragged the remaining mess outside and just elft it in the drive. I cleaned it up later after the basement clean up. I tell this as the sound can easily rattle one. I live across from really tall trees. One of them became a candle a few summers ago. I got off the bus and knew I didn't want to admit to myself what I was hearing. But "roar" is really the word for it. it is a sound that can instil fear without conscious processing. yeah, it's a fire in the woods, and the distance to the house is about the height of the tress last year. But the actual sound, bass roaring does something in the bones. On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Larry Stansifer wrote: > The co-2 extinguishers will also work well for freezing > ground hornet nests. > > About two years ago I went through a fire suppression course > and the fire department had a large round metal pan that > they would partially fill with water and pore gasoline over > the surface. They would ignite the fuel and I got to nock > down the resulting fire. > Pretty strait foreword if you don't let the fire rattle you. > I also read where NHRA does fire simulation training for the > top fuel and top alcohol dragsters and funny car drivers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob > Kennedy > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a > bat > > > I've done that pouter trick too I just figured I was the > only one and didn't want a bunch of extra emails coming in > telling me I was crazy or sick. That's never been in > question... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Stephan > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a > bat > > > I used one of the dry powder extinguishers > on a guy who was going to hold up a store I ran once when > I was younger, and it really changed his mind in a hurry. We > also used to recommend using the Co2 type for getting tyle > or carpet glue off concrete floors, it freezes and sort of > chips off sometimes. > > Bill Stephan, > Kansas City MO > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Phone: (816)803-2469 > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a > bat > From: Bob Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/01/2008 15:27 > > I've had to do this before under what could be called real > shop situations... CO2 extinguishers are good for bringing > the temp of oil or grease fires down as long as you feather > the trigger when squeezing it. Full force you can spread the > fire farther. And remember not to get your fingers or hand > in front of the tube as you spray it. That is nasty cold > stuff and it will do some serious damage to you if you blast > your skin. > > I've seen a fire company use it to kill a snake before, so > it's good for more than fires... > > If you use dry chemical, it will put out a cloud too and > it will make breathing very rough for a while. But losing a > house or shop is even worse than breathing trouble. I've > lost one to fire before but an extinguisher wouldn't have > helped at all in that case. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Fowle > To: blindHandyMan > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:23 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat > > Hi all. > this may be old hat to some of you experienced folks, but > I found the > following interesting. > > I'd always wanted to really try using an extinguisher on a > "real" fire. I > wanted to have some idea if I might stand a chance of > doing usefull fire > fighting if i drop my soldering iron on a pile of paper or > some such. > > However I didn't want to set up a test without > professional help just in > case things should get out of hand. > > I found that a niece's new boy friend is a professional > fire fighter. When > I met Joe last year, almost the first thing I asked him > after a little > introductory chatter was whether he might set up a test > fire somewhere and > suggest an extinguisher for me to try. > > This was a year ago and I' hadn't seen Joe since. > > This thanksgiving, we went to my brother's 5 acre place in > the country and > Joe was there. I hadn't mentioned my request over the year > and figured if > he was interested, he'd bring it up. I wasn't going to ask > again. > > Almost the first thing i heard was " Tom I've got an > extinguisher for you." > > So, Friday afternoon, we went out to the middle of a > gravel coverred area > and Joe got hold of an old cardboard box and a heap of > waiste paper. He > really wanted to add a mix of gasoline and diesel, but > everyone else thought > that was going a bit far. > > He had an out of date "dry chemical" extinguisher, the > type with a pair of > handles you squeeze together and a 1 foot hose you aim at > the fire. > > After the fire was going well enough I could readilly feel > it from a few > feet away, I held the extinguisher in my left hand, and > followed his > instructions. > > they suggest a memory trick using "PASS" > Pull, Aim, Squeeze Sweep. > > Pull, means pull the safety pin, a rod with a circular > ring at one end that > goes through the top handle of the extinguisher and keeps > it from being > squeezed down when not in use. > > Aim, of course means take the end of the little hose and > aim it at the base > of the fire. > > Squeeze, press the two handles together. > > Sweep, means sweep the stream of chemical back and forth > across the fire. > > My experience suggests that moving in a flattened oval so > the stream moves > "up and down" a bit as well as across where you think the > fire is, may be a > good bet if you can't see the flames at all. > > Not surprisingly, I had little trouble knocking this > relatively minor fire > down. Joe had me stop firing several times while he > stirred up the fire > again to give me several tries. > > I did have the tendency to knock over the box with the > stream of chemical, > but this would probably not happen in a more real world > situation. One might > think about whether you might blow burning material away > and spread a fire > with a strong stream of stuff. This would further > encourage me to believe > in the vertical oval movement strategy. > > In a real fire situation, you don't stop spraying your > extinguisher's > contents till the thing is empty. Even if you're pretty > sure the fire is > out, the policy is to empty the device just to be sure. > > Of course any test like this can't be totally real,, it > was controlled and I > knew what was going to be burned and where. And, of course > I wasn't in a > panic. However I believe I at least found i may be able to > knock down a > fire to the extent that I should consider trying an > extinguisher if one is > available. > > Of course there a lot of other strategies to fire fighting > depending on > what's burning, E.G. if it's a grease fire in a pan, just > putting a lid on > the pan may be enough to do the job. > > |Dryy chemical extinguishers are good for most fires, the > disadvantage of > these types is that they leave a powdery mess over > everything. > > [CO2 carbondioxide extinguishers are good for most fires > but of course > do realease a quantity of co2 into the atmosphere. I don't > know of other > disadvantages of this type. > > There are pressurized water units but they should never be > used on > electrical, grease or flamable liquid fires, so probably > aren't a good bet. > > Hailon is expensive, as are it's new substitutes, and are > good for almost > all fires, but one must be carefull to get out of the way > of the cloud of > gas since it makes breathing impossible. > > I'd suggest, if you work with anything that might go wrong > and cause a fire, > that you may want to meet a friendly fireman and set up a > similar test for > your selves just so you'll have a feel for how it all > goes. > > Everyone with a home containing a kitchen should have, and > maintain, an > appropriate extinguisher where you can get at it. Contact > your local fire > fighters to find out what local code says is appropriate > for you. > > Of course if you have a fire, whether you try fighting it > your self or not, > call the local fire department. Even if you think it's > out, you want > professional help to be sure there is no way it could > spread and something > you didn't catch is still going. > > Hope this encourages you to try something for your selves > and learn more > about what you can do. > > Besides, since I had a pro on hand, it was fun and helped > build a good > connection with a possible future family member. > > tom Fowle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAG > E_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions > From Various List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit > the following address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email > commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a > blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Groups Links > > > > > > -- > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 227181487) is > spam: > Spam: > https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=227181487&m=1fe8 > e74e89c8&c=s > Not spam: > https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=227181487&m=1fe8 > e74e89c8&c=n > Forget vote: > https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=227181487&m=1fe8 > e74e89c8&c=f > > REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, > or other personal information over e-mail. > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > >
