Agreed, it's sort of out lived it's time so to speak. David Ferrin Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny McHugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat
>I believe it is really time to bring this topic to a close. Moderator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat > > > having read a previous description I got more of an idea. > I guess it's cruel, and off topic. But I think blind folks should almost > automaticall go for the vision of anyone who is threatening them > seriously. > The fear, the disability, and our advantage quickly turns the situation > and seems like the fastest best chance for us. > Whatever is at hand as I was taught in Hapkido. > > > > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Bill Stephan wrote: > >> >> the truth is Spiro, I don't know. The guy just said give me the money or >> I'll kill you, I grabbed the extinguisher and let it rip, and the guy ran >> out of the building, it all happened in about ten seconds I think. I had >> a crew out in our equipment yard but by the time I could get them to >> look, >> there was nobody around. >> >> >> >> Bill Stephan, >> Kansas City MO >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Phone: (816)803-2469 >> >> -original message- >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat >> From: Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 12/04/2008 14:11 >> >> Just a tecnical question: >> If he was going to hold up the store; with what was he going to do it, >> and >> how did you keep him from using it? >> Curiousity strikes. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Bill Stephan wrote: >> >>> I used one of the dry powder extinguishers >>> on a guy who was going to hold up a store I ran once when I was younger, >>> and it really changed his mind in a hurry. We also used to recommend >>> using the Co2 type for getting tyle or carpet glue off concrete floors, >>> it freezes and sort of chips off sometimes. >>> >>> >>> Bill Stephan, >>> Kansas City MO >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Phone: (816)803-2469 >>> >>> -original message- >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat >>> From: Bob Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Date: 12/01/2008 15:27 >>> >>> I've had to do this before under what could be called real shop >>> situations... CO2 extinguishers are good for bringing the temp of oil >>> or >>> grease fires down as long as you feather the trigger when squeezing it. >>> Full force you can spread the fire farther. And remember not to get >>> your >>> fingers or hand in front of the tube as you spray it. That is nasty >>> cold >>> stuff and it will do some serious damage to you if you blast your skin. >>> >>> I've seen a fire company use it to kill a snake before, so it's good for >>> more than fires... >>> >>> If you use dry chemical, it will put out a cloud too and it will make >>> breathing very rough for a while. But losing a house or shop is even >>> worse than breathing trouble. I've lost one to fire before but an >>> extinguisher wouldn't have helped at all in that case. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Tom Fowle >>> To: blindHandyMan >>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:23 PM >>> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Using fire extinguishers as a bat >>> >>> >>> Hi all. >>> this may be old hat to some of you experienced folks, but I found the >>> following interesting. >>> >>> I'd always wanted to really try using an extinguisher on a "real" fire. >>> I >>> wanted to have some idea if I might stand a chance of doing usefull >>> fire >>> fighting if i drop my soldering iron on a pile of paper or some such. >>> >>> However I didn't want to set up a test without professional help just >>> in >>> case things should get out of hand. >>> >>> I found that a niece's new boy friend is a professional fire fighter. >>> When >>> I met Joe last year, almost the first thing I asked him after a little >>> introductory chatter was whether he might set up a test fire somewhere >>> and >>> suggest an extinguisher for me to try. >>> >>> This was a year ago and I' hadn't seen Joe since. >>> >>> This thanksgiving, we went to my brother's 5 acre place in the country >>> and >>> Joe was there. I hadn't mentioned my request over the year and figured >>> if >>> he was interested, he'd bring it up. I wasn't going to ask again. >>> >>> Almost the first thing i heard was " Tom I've got an extinguisher for >>> you." >>> >>> So, Friday afternoon, we went out to the middle of a gravel coverred >>> area >>> and Joe got hold of an old cardboard box and a heap of waiste paper. He >>> really wanted to add a mix of gasoline and diesel, but everyone else >>> thought >>> that was going a bit far. >>> >>> He had an out of date "dry chemical" extinguisher, the type with a pair >>> of >>> handles you squeeze together and a 1 foot hose you aim at the fire. >>> >>> After the fire was going well enough I could readilly feel it from a >>> few >>> feet away, I held the extinguisher in my left hand, and followed his >>> instructions. >>> >>> they suggest a memory trick using "PASS" >>> Pull, Aim, Squeeze Sweep. >>> >>> Pull, means pull the safety pin, a rod with a circular ring at one end >>> that >>> goes through the top handle of the extinguisher and keeps it from being >>> squeezed down when not in use. >>> >>> Aim, of course means take the end of the little hose and aim it at the >>> base >>> of the fire. >>> >>> Squeeze, press the two handles together. >>> >>> Sweep, means sweep the stream of chemical back and forth across the >>> fire. >>> >>> My experience suggests that moving in a flattened oval so the stream >>> moves >>> "up and down" a bit as well as across where you think the fire is, may >>> be a >>> good bet if you can't see the flames at all. >>> >>> Not surprisingly, I had little trouble knocking this relatively minor >>> fire >>> down. Joe had me stop firing several times while he stirred up the fire >>> again to give me several tries. >>> >>> I did have the tendency to knock over the box with the stream of >>> chemical, >>> but this would probably not happen in a more real world situation. One >>> might >>> think about whether you might blow burning material away and spread a >>> fire >>> with a strong stream of stuff. This would further encourage me to >>> believe >>> in the vertical oval movement strategy. >>> >>> In a real fire situation, you don't stop spraying your extinguisher's >>> contents till the thing is empty. Even if you're pretty sure the fire >>> is >>> out, the policy is to empty the device just to be sure. >>> >>> Of course any test like this can't be totally real,, it was controlled >>> and I >>> knew what was going to be burned and where. And, of course I wasn't in >>> a >>> panic. However I believe I at least found i may be able to knock down a >>> fire to the extent that I should consider trying an extinguisher if one >>> is >>> available. >>> >>> Of course there a lot of other strategies to fire fighting depending on >>> what's burning, E.G. if it's a grease fire in a pan, just putting a lid >>> on >>> the pan may be enough to do the job. >>> >>> |Dryy chemical extinguishers are good for most fires, the disadvantage >>> of >>> these types is that they leave a powdery mess over everything. >>> >>> [CO2 carbondioxide extinguishers are good for most fires but of course >>> do realease a quantity of co2 into the atmosphere. I don't know of >>> other >>> disadvantages of this type. >>> >>> There are pressurized water units but they should never be used on >>> electrical, grease or flamable liquid fires, so probably aren't a good >>> bet. >>> >>> Hailon is expensive, as are it's new substitutes, and are good for >>> almost >>> all fires, but one must be carefull to get out of the way of the cloud >>> of >>> gas since it makes breathing impossible. >>> >>> I'd suggest, if you work with anything that might go wrong and cause a >>> fire, >>> that you may want to meet a friendly fireman and set up a similar test >>> for >>> your selves just so you'll have a feel for how it all goes. >>> >>> Everyone with a home containing a kitchen should have, and maintain, an >>> appropriate extinguisher where you can get at it. Contact your local >>> fire >>> fighters to find out what local code says is appropriate for you. >>> >>> Of course if you have a fire, whether you try fighting it your self or >>> not, >>> call the local fire department. Even if you think it's out, you want >>> professional help to be sure there is no way it could spread and >>> something >>> you didn't catch is still going. >>> >>> Hope this encourages you to try something for your selves and learn >>> more >>> about what you can do. >>> >>> Besides, since I had a pro on hand, it was fun and helped build a good >>> connection with a possible future family member. >>> >>> tom Fowle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list > just send a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links > > > > > __________ NOD32 3667 (20081205) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links > > >
