LGTM2

/Daniel

On 2021-11-11 17:39, Chris Harrelson wrote:
I discussed offline with font experts (Dominik in particular) and they confirmed that removal of -webkit-pictograph would provide ok-looking fallbacks. They also agreed that it would be a good idea to implement font-family: emoji, and we're looking into finding someone to do that, but that doesn't have to block this intent.

LGTM1 to remove -webkit-pictograph now without a deprecation period.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:43 AM Frédéric Wang <fw...@igalia.com> wrote:

    Le 10/11/2021 à 22:11, Daniel Bratell a écrit :

    The 0.0028% number is low, but I wonder what the effect will be
    on the sites that use webkit-pictograph today. Will they get
    another font containing the same glyphs, or is there a risk a
    symbol won't show at all?

    If they "just" gets a differently looking font, then the risk is
    even smaller.

    /Daniel

    Hi, in general when you have a character in a page, browsers will
    do their best to select a glyph for that characters, trying
    available fonts, with the choice guided by the list specified in
    font-family. So I believe (font expert please correct me if I'm
    wrong) removing a generic font family should just affect the
    choice, not the visibility of the symbol.

    Moreover, quoting the initial message of this thread:

    Le 13/08/2021 à 14:23, Frédéric Wang a écrit :

    - Apple Color Emoji on macOS (and iOS/WebKit)

    - Segoe UI Symbol on Windows

    - Times New Roman on Linux

    - Noto Color Emoji on ChromeOS

    - This feature is not implemented on Android.

    So first this change won't affect Android. Moreover, I suspect we
    have more fonts with good emoji coverage these days, compared to
    when this was implemented 10 years ago (I'm not sure "Times New
    Roman" is really helpful or the best choice on Linux for example).

    Finally, as an alternative (and maybe replying to Yoav) we could
    in parallel implement "font-family: emoji" as a replacement
    (keeping the same preference on Desktop and maybe clever selection
    on Android) and deprecate -webkit-pictograph (remapping it to
    "emoji" in the meantime). This would be similar to what was done
    for "system-ui" here:

    https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/hvN9YVvIb5c

    And we could also do the same in WebKit:

    https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-August/031938.html

    What do you think?

-- Frédéric Wang

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