LGTM3

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:00 PM Daniel Bratell <bratel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> LGTM2
>
> /Daniel
> On 2021-11-11 17:39, Chris Harrelson wrote:
>
> I discussed offline with font experts (Dominik in particular) and they
> confirmed that removal of -webkit-pictograph would provide ok-looking
> fallbacks. They also agreed that it would be a good idea to implement
> font-family: emoji, and we're looking into finding someone to do that, but
> that doesn't have to block this intent.
>
> LGTM1 to remove -webkit-pictograph now without a deprecation period.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:43 AM Frédéric Wang <fw...@igalia.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 10/11/2021 à 22:11, Daniel Bratell a écrit :
>>
>> The 0.0028% number is low, but I wonder what the effect will be on the
>> sites that use webkit-pictograph today. Will they get another font
>> containing the same glyphs, or is there a risk a symbol won't show at all?
>>
>> If they "just" gets a differently looking font, then the risk is even
>> smaller.
>>
>> /Daniel
>>
>> Hi, in general when you have a character in a page, browsers will do
>> their best to select a glyph for that characters, trying available fonts,
>> with the choice guided by the list specified in font-family. So I believe
>> (font expert please correct me if I'm wrong) removing a generic font family
>> should just affect the choice, not the visibility of the symbol.
>>
>> Moreover, quoting the initial message of this thread:
>>
>> Le 13/08/2021 à 14:23, Frédéric Wang a écrit :
>>
>> - Apple Color Emoji on macOS (and iOS/WebKit)
>>
>> - Segoe UI Symbol on Windows
>>
>> - Times New Roman on Linux
>>
>> - Noto Color Emoji on ChromeOS
>>
>> - This feature is not implemented on Android.
>>
>> So first this change won't affect Android. Moreover, I suspect we have
>> more fonts with good emoji coverage these days, compared to when this was
>> implemented 10 years ago (I'm not sure "Times New Roman" is really helpful
>> or the best choice on Linux for example).
>>
>> Finally, as an alternative (and maybe replying to Yoav) we could in
>> parallel implement "font-family: emoji" as a replacement (keeping the same
>> preference on Desktop and maybe clever selection on Android) and deprecate
>> -webkit-pictograph (remapping it to "emoji" in the meantime). This would be
>> similar to what was done for "system-ui" here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/hvN9YVvIb5c
>>
>> And we could also do the same in WebKit:
>>
>> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-August/031938.html
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
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