That's a good question! At the moment there isn't a plan to remove the
legacy-named client hints (dpr, width, viewport-width, and device-memory).
The messaging around this is a good opportunity to push users to the
updated naming (sec-ch-dpr, sec-ch-width, sec-ch-viewport-width, and
sec-ch-device-memory) as behavior is now identical, but until usage drops
off no action will be taken. I doubt that will change until 2023.

~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)


On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 1:43 AM Jon Arne Sæterås <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thank you for the ping Eric.
> For ImageEngine <https://imageengine.io/>, the impact of removing the
> legacy delegation behaviour of dpr, width, viewport-width, and
> device-memory will be minor as ImageEngine has fallback mechanisms that
> will limit any negative impact.
> The challenge is more about how to communicate this to the users.
> Specifically, a clear migration path to "reenable" client hints. The recent
> support for markup based delegation will help a lot of course. Also, as
> another motivation to make the change, it would be interesting to know when
> the legacy key names dpr, width, viewport-width, and device-memory will not
> be supported anymore. I mean, fully replaced by the sec-ch- prefixed
> variants launched in M97.
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:33:53 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Right now it's on track for M103, which has a branch cut in May and a
>> release in June. I have no issue pushing this back to M104 (branch in June
>> and release in July) to get a full 3 month buffer.
>>
>> Thanks for the outreach!
>>
>>
>> ~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:28 PM Eric Portis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a non-trivial amount of usage which is relies on the legacy
>>> delegation behavior. We are working on outreach to will-be-affected
>>> customers, alerting them to the change and trying to get them to switch
>>> over to the new syntax. In at least a couple of cases the teams/devs that
>>> implemented Cloudinary + Client Hints originally are long gone, which makes
>>> things difficult... I think the most helpful thing for us would be a clear
>>> switch-off deadline for the legacy behavior, at least a quarter or two out,
>>> so that we can give customers a reason to make the change (but not panic
>>> about it).
>>>
>>> I know a couple of Cloudflare folks have been active in standards
>>> discussions, and Jon Arne Sæterås at ScientaMobile has been an active
>>> participant in a few Client Hints discussions, specifically. I'll ping them
>>> on Twitter.
>>>
>>> —
>>> Eric Portis
>>> Cloudinary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-7 [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Eric Portis I wanted to get a sense of whether this narrow change
>>>> (not delegating to third-parties by default for dpr, width, viewport-width,
>>>> and device-memory on Android) would pose an issue for Cloudrinary and ask
>>>> if you had contacts I could reach out to at other CDNs. I saw potential use
>>>> from Cloudflare <https://blog.cloudflare.com/early-hints/>, ImageKit
>>>> <https://docs.imagekit.io/features/client-hints>, ImgIX
>>>> <https://docs.imgix.com/tutorials/responsive-images-client-hints>,
>>>> KeyCDN <https://www.keycdn.com/blog/client-hints>, and Peakhour
>>>> <https://www.peakhour.io/docs/responsive-design/client-hints/> but
>>>> haven't heard from them on this thread.
>>>>
>>>> ~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 2:32 PM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The modern syntax (I assume you mean third-party delegation of client
>>>>> hints via HTML) is shipping in M100 (stable release at the end of March).
>>>>> There isn't a plan to remove any existing client hint names.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question here is whether any websites are depending on dpr, width,
>>>>> viewport-width, or device-memory being auto-delegated to all third party
>>>>> sites when requested by a first party on Android. That's the legacy
>>>>> behavior that's being proposed for removal (ideally with M102).
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:54 AM Eric Portis <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking on behalf of Cloudinary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - We've started treating the modern hints the same as the legacy
>>>>>> hints, server-side
>>>>>> - We've identified which customers who are sending us legacy hints
>>>>>> and are working on an outreach plan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be nice to have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - some certainty about the new HTML syntax. Is it likely to change
>>>>>> after TAG review or other-implementer feedback?
>>>>>> - a clear switch-off-date at least a quarter (or two!) out from the
>>>>>> final modernized syntax shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically what we'd like to communicate is a clear action item with a
>>>>>> non-panicky due date, with some assurance of finality after customers 
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> (and are able to test) the change.
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:39:40 AM UTC-8 [email protected]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't had issues loading those sites on Firefox mobile (which
>>>>>>> doesn't have client hints), but haven't specifically tried loading them 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Chrome Android w/o hints enabled. It's true that we're betting on lower
>>>>>>> dependency given this change only affects Chrome on Android (where the
>>>>>>> default delegation was enabled), but it's worth asking a few CDNs to 
>>>>>>> see if
>>>>>>> this was a feature being depended on that HTTP Archive isn't surfacing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a good way to reach out to them? I can see documentation
>>>>>>> from Cloudflare <https://blog.cloudflare.com/early-hints/>,
>>>>>>> Cloudinary
>>>>>>> <https://cloudinary.com/blog/client_hints_and_responsive_images_what_changed_in_chrome_67>
>>>>>>> , ImageKit <https://docs.imagekit.io/features/client-hints>, ImgIX
>>>>>>> <https://docs.imgix.com/tutorials/responsive-images-client-hints>,
>>>>>>> KeyCDN <https://www.keycdn.com/blog/client-hints>, and Peakhour
>>>>>>> <https://www.peakhour.io/docs/responsive-design/client-hints/> in
>>>>>>> search results. I could try tagging some of them in a GitHub issue but
>>>>>>> wasn't sure if there's a better way to reach a wider audience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:49 AM Daniel Bratell <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can we get a good grip on the web compatibility of this change?
>>>>>>>> The use counters are a high, but as you point out, the number of sites 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> actually depend on the legacy client hints is lower. The question is 
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> "how much lower?".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You listed a number of affected sites. Has anyone checked what
>>>>>>>> happens to those with the hints removed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Daniel
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-07 16:56, Ari Chivukula wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fixing the subject prefix, apologies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:54 AM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Contact emails
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Design Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1igtMPtVTiX24bVaUo6tBgx3B16-HmUVPG7iDP5HkzD0/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specification
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One residue of the rapid Client Hints Infrastructure
>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/> iteration
>>>>>>>>> is the concept of a `legacy` client hint. It’s a set of 4 hints 
>>>>>>>>> (`dpr`,
>>>>>>>>> `width`, `viewport-width`, and `device-memory`) which have a default
>>>>>>>>> allowlist of `self` (meaning that they are not sent to third-party
>>>>>>>>> subresources unless delegated via Permissions Policy) but behave as 
>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> they have a default allowlist of `*` (meaning they are sent to 
>>>>>>>>> third-party
>>>>>>>>> subresources as long as the first-party page requests them) on 
>>>>>>>>> Android.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This `legacy` client concept on Android will be removed and a
>>>>>>>>> permissions policy will be required to delegate the 4 affected hints. 
>>>>>>>>> As of
>>>>>>>>> M100, Markup based Client Hint Delegation
>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/JQ68cvYuiQU/m/bFjAWmy3AAAJ>
>>>>>>>>> is now available to allow delegation via HTML instead of HTTP headers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blink component
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blink>Network>ClientHints
>>>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component%3ABlink%3ENetwork%3EClientHints>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Motivation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We want to bring these 4 hints in line with the spec; fixing this
>>>>>>>>> will increase privacy on Android by requiring explicit delegation of 
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> hints.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TAG review
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> N/A (this change brings Android behavior in line with the spec and
>>>>>>>>> better preserves privacy)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compatibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Websites visited by android devices that request the legacy
>>>>>>>>> device-memory, dpr, width, and viewport-width would no longer have 
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> hints delegated by default to third-party subresources. This would 
>>>>>>>>> match
>>>>>>>>> the current behavior on desktop. Third-party subresources which need 
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> hints would need to get the first-party that loads them to adopt
>>>>>>>>> HTTP
>>>>>>>>> <https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-permissions-policy/#serialization>
>>>>>>>>> or HTML
>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U3P9yvaT1NXG_qRmY3Lp6Me7M5kTnd3QrBb1yFUVNNk/edit>
>>>>>>>>> delegation of client hints. The design doc
>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1igtMPtVTiX24bVaUo6tBgx3B16-HmUVPG7iDP5HkzD0/edit>
>>>>>>>>> has usage/top-site information, and outreach is underway to ensure
>>>>>>>>> third-parties expecting this information are aware of the change. The 
>>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>>> which require default third-party delegation of these hints are 
>>>>>>>>> likely much
>>>>>>>>> lower than the sites which incidentally do so by default. As we 
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> Client Hint adoption, we want to ensure dependency doesn’t form on 
>>>>>>>>> legacy,
>>>>>>>>> non-compliant behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interoperability
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gecko: Client Hints not yet implemented (considered non-harmful
>>>>>>>>> <https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#http-client-hints>
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WebKit: Client Hints not yet implemented
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web developers: No feedback yet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Debuggability
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> N/A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New WPT will be added to ensure these hints are not delegated by
>>>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tracking bug
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://crbug.com/1227043
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5694492182052864
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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