Log message and use counters landed today. I enabled the feature flag by
default on tip of tree earlier this week.

Thank you all!

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:18 PM Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:

> Given that you expect it to be very rare, that sounds like a good idea to
> me - at least for a release or two. I should have suggested this because I
> was reviewing our compat <https://bit.ly/blink-compat>principles
> <https://bit.ly/blink-compat> trying to reason through this one, but
> skipped right over Debuggability
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RC-pBBvsazYfCNNUSkPqAVpSpNJ96U8trhNkfV0v9fk/edit#heading=h.2vhygov7rgj5>
>  :-).
>
> Can you also add a UseCounter at that point so we get a signal in beta of
> how often it's triggered?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 5:12 PM Mustafa Emre Acer <mea...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rick and Chris. Will get back here if I become aware of any
>> breakage.
>>
>> In the meantime, I'm thinking of adding a console message for affected
>> subresources. It'll read something like:
>> "The hostname for http://faß.de/script.js <http://fass.de/script.js> (
>> faß.de <http://fass.de>) may point to a different IP address after
>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5105856067141632. Make sure you
>> are using the correct host name."
>> Let me know if this is useful or just noise.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 1:19 PM Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LGTM3
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 1:05 PM Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh and +Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> mentioned in the API
>>>> owners meeting that he's fine with this change, and he has already approved
>>>> it in Chromestatus. So mine is actually LGTM2.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:03 PM Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Mustafa, that makes sense. I'm struggling a bit to evaluate the
>>>>> compat risk. Changing URL parsing at all feels risky, but your data
>>>>> indicates this should be a very rare scenario, and the fact that we're 
>>>>> just
>>>>> matching changes Firefox and Safari made years ago means it's even less
>>>>> risky. There's still Android WebView and chromium-only enterprise 
>>>>> scenarios
>>>>> to consider. But I don't want to ask that you go through a whole other
>>>>> round of adding metrics and waiting for stable just to address what is
>>>>> effectively an interop bug (with a non-trivial impact on our WPT pass
>>>>> rates), especially given those metrics are not going to be 100% conclusive
>>>>> either (may identify only non-breaking cases). Finding only one origin 
>>>>> with
>>>>> any real usage, and seeing that that origin works fine either way also
>>>>> further reduces the risk for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'm convinced that the risk here is similar to that of other
>>>>> bug-fixes we make without any formal compat analysis. LGTM1 to ship. But 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you get reports of any breakage whatsoever prior to hitting stable, please
>>>>> revert and come back to us for discussion of next steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>    Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 3:28 PM Mustafa Emre Acer <mea...@chromium.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Rick's question regarding the impact of this change on parsed URLs?
>>>>>> (vs. typed or pasted URL, that you already described)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, this affects parsed URLs as well. So, subresources with affected
>>>>>> URLs may start pointing to different IP addresses after this change.
>>>>>> Unfortunately I don't have metrics about how prevalent this is, but I'm
>>>>>> happy to dig into it if we feel it's necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, a small correction about the remaining failures in the virtual
>>>>>> test suite: There are two more failures containing ß (lines 124 and
>>>>>> 127
>>>>>> <https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/4072454/1/third_party/blink/web_tests/virtual/idna-2008/external/wpt/url/toascii.window-expected.txt>)
>>>>>> I missed. These seem to be related to the handling of extended ASCII
>>>>>> characters in hostnames: ß is an extended ASCII character, so the URL
>>>>>> string is treated as 8 bit and parsed accordingly. I'll file a separate 
>>>>>> bug
>>>>>> for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:10 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for clarifying the test situation, Mustafa! :) Can you also
>>>>>>> answer Rick's question regarding the impact of this change on parsed 
>>>>>>> URLs?
>>>>>>> (vs. typed or pasted URL, that you already described)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 12:40 AM Mustafa Emre Acer <
>>>>>>> mea...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Philip,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pretty sure the remaining failures with URLs with "ß" are due to
>>>>>>>> crbug.com/724018. In fact a quick hack reduced the failures down
>>>>>>>> to 28:
>>>>>>>> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/4072454
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While related to IDNA, it's a different issue and isn't affected by
>>>>>>>> this change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 3:07 AM Philip Jägenstedt <
>>>>>>>> foo...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see, so if we compare the expectations of the default setup
>>>>>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/external/wpt/url/toascii.window-expected.txt>
>>>>>>>>> to virtual test suite
>>>>>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/virtual/idna-2008/external/wpt/url/toascii.window-expected.txt>,
>>>>>>>>> we see the improvement from 154 failures to 73. Yay!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are those remaining failures for reasons unrelated to IDNA
>>>>>>>>> processing? There are still tests with "ß" in the name that fail, but 
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> not sure if it's expected or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 6:39 PM Mustafa Emre Acer <
>>>>>>>>> mea...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are actually tests, but as a virtual test suite since the
>>>>>>>>>> implementation is currently behind a flag:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/virtual/idna-2008/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chrome Status form asked for a link to wpt.fyi and I couldn't
>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to link to a virtual test suite so I said no. Updated 
>>>>>>>>>> the CS
>>>>>>>>>> entry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 9:00 AM Philip Jägenstedt <
>>>>>>>>>> foo...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mustafa,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for much for working on this. The initial email says this
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't tested by WPT, but I think this is the change that will make 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> test (part of Interop 2022) pass:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://wpt.fyi/results/url/toascii.window.html?label=experimental&label=master&product=chrome&product=firefox&product=safari&aligned&view=interop&q=label%3Ainterop-2022-webcompat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Philip
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 4:48 PM Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for investing in this alignment! Having a URL that goes
>>>>>>>>>>>> one place in Chrome and somewhere different in Safari/Firefox 
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a
>>>>>>>>>>>> very bad thing in principle to me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your metrics and comments are around user-typed/pasted URLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does this change somehow impact only that, not URLs parsed from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML and
>>>>>>>>>>>> CSS? If so then I can understand why there's no WPTs for this. But 
>>>>>>>>>>>> if not
>>>>>>>>>>>> then we'd definitely need confidence in the WPT tests and probably 
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> more compat analysis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:35 AM 'Yifan Luo' via blink-dev <
>>>>>>>>>>>> blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:37:57 AM UTC+1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yoav...@chromium.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for working on alignment here!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:30 AM 'Harald Alvestrand' via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blink-dev <blin...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This IDNA 2008 author applauds your decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:16 PM Mustafa Emre Acer <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mea...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact emailsmea...@chromium.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specificationhttps://unicode.org/reports/tr46
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable IDNA 2008 in Non-Transitional Mode for URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processing, aligning Chrome's behavior with Firefox and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari. Chrome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently uses IDNA 2008 in Transitional Mode in URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processing. The main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference between Transitional and Non-Transitional Mode is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of four characters known as deviation characters: ß (LATIN 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SMALL LETTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHARP S), ς (GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL SIGMA), ZWJ (Zero width 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joiner) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZWNJ (Zero width non-joiner). In Transitional mode, deviation 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are handled the same as IDNA2003: ß is mapped to ss, ς is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mapped to σ, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZWJ and ZWNJ are deleted. In Non-Transitional mode, domains 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> containing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these characters are allowed in domain names without mapping, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thus can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve to different IP addresses. For example, typing "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faß.de <http://fass.de>" in Chrome and Firefox opens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different sites today. Enabling Non-Transitional IDNA in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrome will allow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deviation characters in domain names. Firefox and Safari 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already made this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change in 2016 and continue to use Non-Transitional URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blink componentUI>Security>UrlFormatting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:UI%3ESecurity%3EUrlFormatting>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Search tagsidna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/features#tags:idna>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAG reviewThis feature addresses conformance to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing spec and other browsers already do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAG review statusNot applicable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Risks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Gecko*: Shipped/Shipping (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1218179)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *WebKit*: Shipped/Shipping (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/208902/webkit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Web developers*: No signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Other signals*:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This change introduces a potential security issue where a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain pointing to one IP may start pointing to another IP. As 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IDNA2003 and Transitional IDNA-2008 maps faß.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://fass.de> to fass.de (ß is a deviation character).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-Transitional IDNA2008 maps it to xn--fa-hia.de which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the punycode representation of faß.de <http://fass.de>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Typing "faß.de <http://fass.de>" in Chrome and Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently opens different sites. Main mitigations discussed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundling / blocking where registrars bundle domain names (e.g. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faß.de <http://fass.de> along with fass.de) or block the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative domain name (e.g. disallow faß.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://fass.de> if fass.de is registered). According to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data from Chrome 106 and 107: - Less than 0.001% of user-typed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or pasted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main frame navigations had a deviation character in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excludes link clicks and renderer initiated navigations, so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the percentage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of affected domains among all navigations is even lower. - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname had a deviation character and had more than 50 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impressions over a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28 day period (fußball.de <http://fussball.de>). Both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fußball.de <http://fussball.de> and fussball.de have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same owner so this change doesn't affect them. Thus, typing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain names
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with deviation characters is very rare. Domain bundling / 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocking aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blockers as this change won't have a significant impact on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, Firefox and Safari have been using Non-Transitional 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IDNA 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 2016 without issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WebView application risks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> APIs, such that it has potentially high risk for Android 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WebView-based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debuggability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows, Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be some tests written by apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/pull/4794. However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same question here: Why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DevTrial instructions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=694157#c70
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flag nameuse-idna2008-non-transitional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Requires code in //chrome?False
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tracking bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=694157
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4224656
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Estimated milestones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DevTrial on desktop 110
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DevTrial on Android 110
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anticipated spec changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open questions about a feature may be a source of future
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web compat or interop issues. Please list open issues (e.g. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links to known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github issues in the project for the feature specification) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution may introduce web compat/interop risk (e.g., 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing to naming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or structure of the API in a non-backward-compatible way).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5105856067141632
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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