On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 8:55 AM François Beaufort <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 8:17 AM Yoav Weiss <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:25 PM 'Tommy Steimel' via blink-dev < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In the future, we may be able to do something on Android that doesn't >>> support input without any change to Android APIs. If we wanted input in the >>> PiP window, it would require changes to Android itself. That said, we >>> haven't seen any interest from web developers for an inputless document PiP >>> on Android, and there isn't really anything you can do with an inputless >>> document PiP that you can't do with a canvas-back video PiP, so we haven't >>> pursued anything on Android. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:06 AM Philip Jägenstedt <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Domenic for mentoring and vouching :) I took a very cursory look >>>> at the API shape and sent a small fix >>>> <https://github.com/WICG/document-picture-in-picture/pull/81>, thanks >>>> for reviewing that. >>>> >>>> The concerns on https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/41 >>>> are device independence and portability. For the Android support, can you >>>> say anything about future expectations? Is this feature simply not >>>> important on mobile and it might be a desktop-only API for the >>>> foreseeable future, or would Android support make sense for some use cases? >>>> If so, does it seem tractable given the requisite changes to Android APIs? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 4:16 AM Domenic Denicola <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was the spec mentor for Tommy's work on this feature, and am chiming >>>>> in to provide the requested spec maturity summary >>>>> <https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features/#:~:text=If%20your%20specification%20isn%27t%20a%20modification%20of%20an%20existing%20specification%2C%20include%20a%20one%2Dline%20spec%20maturity%20summary%20from%20someone%20outside%20your%20team%20(like%20your%20spec%20mentor)%20who%20has%20done%20a%20review.> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> I'm very happy with the spec work for this feature. Tommy worked hard >>>>> to incorporate all my feedback about how to ensure everything was >>>>> rigorously defined, and integrated well with existing concepts like >>>>> opening >>>>> new windows (navigables). The monkey patches are small, focused, and easy >>>>> to understand. >>>>> >>>>> There is some TAG feedback that seems to wish this was part of >>>>> window.open() or some other more-general API, but I think that advice is >>>>> not correct, and the current API design is good, due to the >>>>> singleton-per-top-level-traversable nature of a document PiP window. In my >>>>> opinion this makes the window.documentPictureInPicture entrypoint, with >>>>> its >>>>> requestWindow(), window, and onenter properties, a good API for the use >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:51 AM 'Tommy Steimel' via blink-dev < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Contact [email protected], [email protected], >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Explainer >>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/document-picture-in-picture/blob/main/README.md >>>>>> >>>>> >> The examples use the unload event for the PiP document window where, >> where elsewhere we're working >> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/oU1yt5cdGH8> on >> getting rid of it.. >> Is there an alternative API we can recommend instead? >> > > Good catch! We should indeed recommend using the pagehide event instead > <https://web.dev/bfcache/#only-add-beforeunload-listeners-conditionally:~:text=Instead%20of%20using%20the%20unload%20event%2C%20use%20the%20pagehide%20event.%20The%20pagehide%20event%20fires%20in%20all%20cases%20where%20the%20unload%20event%20currently%20fires%2C%20and%20it%20also%20fires%20when%20a%20page%20is%20put%20in%20the%20bfcache.> > . > I'll be updating spec/explainer > <https://github.com/WICG/document-picture-in-picture/pull/83> and > documentation > <https://github.com/GoogleChrome/developer.chrome.com/pull/6604>. > > >> >> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/document-picture-in-picture >>>>>> >>>>>> Summary >>>>>> >>>>>> Document PiP adds a new API to open an always-on-top window that can >>>>>> be populated with arbitrary HTMLElements. This is an expansion upon the >>>>>> existing HTMLVideoElement API that only allows for an HTMLVideoElement to >>>>>> be put into a PiP window. This allows web developers to provide a better >>>>>> PiP experience to users. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Blink componentBlink>Media>PictureInPicture >>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EMedia%3EPictureInPicture> >>>>>> >>>>>> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/798 >>>>>> >>>>>> TAG review statusIssues open >>>>>> >>>>>> Risks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Gecko*: No signal ( >>>>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/670) >>>>>> >>>>>> *WebKit*: No signal ( >>>>>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/41) no official >>>>>> position, but have some concerns >>>>>> >>>>>> *Web developers*: Positive ( >>>>>> https://discourse.wicg.io/t/proposal-document-picture-in-picture/5736/2?u=steimel) >>>>>> In addition to the linked comment, we have some signals from partners >>>>>> that >>>>>> this would be valuable, and are checking to see if they are OK making >>>>>> that >>>>>> public >>>>>> >>>>>> *Other signals*: >>>>>> >>>>>> WebView application risks >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such >>>>>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications? >>>>>> >>>>>> N/A since we are not enabling this API on Android >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Debuggability >>>>>> >>>>>> The new methods and properties proposed in this spec will show up in >>>>>> autocomplete functionality (e.g. window.documentPictureInPicture). The >>>>>> enter event will support event listener breakpoints in the >>>>>> "Picture-in-Picture" category. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, >>>>>> Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)?No >>>>>> >>>>>> At least initially, we're not supporting Android since the Android >>>>>> APIs don't easily support always-on-top windows with arbitrary >>>>>> interaction >>>>>> >>>>> >> Do I understand correctly that the Android apps will not have a PiP >> experience advantage over the web, since the other PiP APIs enable similar >> (input-less) experiences on the mobile web compared to mobile apps? >> > Android apps have the ability *today* to show different icons in the PiP window than what is currently in https://w3c.github.io/mediasession/#enumdef-mediasessionaction However, regarding user input, Android apps and Web apps behave the same. Users can only interact with the PiP window icons, provided by the app. >> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>> ?Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Flag nameblink::features::kDocumentPictureInPictureAPI >>>>>> >>>>>> Requires code in //chrome?True >>>>>> >>>>>> Tracking bughttps://crbug.com/1315351 >>>>>> >>>>>> Launch bughttps://crbug.com/1269059 >>>>>> >>>>>> MeasurementWe have UseCounters for the documentPictureInPicture APIs >>>>>> >>>>>> Availability expectationFeature is available only in Chromium >>>>>> browsers for the foreseeable future >>>>>> >>>>>> Adoption expectationFeature is used by specific partner(s) to >>>>>> provide functionality within 12 months of launch in Chrome >>>>>> >>>>>> Adoption planFeature is already being used in the OT by partners who >>>>>> plan to continue using the feature in stable >>>>>> >>>>>> Non-OSS dependencies >>>>>> >>>>>> Does the feature depend on any code or APIs outside the Chromium open >>>>>> source repository and its open-source dependencies to function? >>>>>> N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> Estimated milestones >>>>>> Shipping on desktop 116 >>>>>> OriginTrial desktop last 115 >>>>>> OriginTrial desktop first 111 >>>>>> >>>>>> Anticipated spec changes >>>>>> >>>>>> Open questions about a feature may be a source of future web compat >>>>>> or interop issues. 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